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Janelle Diethelm

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Hi, everybody. Thanks for coming in tonight.

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for those of who who don't know me, I am. I am the curious art historian.

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And tonight, I wanted to open the floor and ask everyone

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artwork on your lives. What what hunt you

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and by that, i mean

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What what are you constantly thinking about? Like, what are just in your head rent free?

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You can see that in the fortune cookie there I put that in as a

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prompts you guys can think of one if you haven't already, but

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to get as kicked off. I will start with mine, and one of

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the one artwork that constantly honestly me is

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lean heard to vinci Salvador mon. Now everyone this

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always talking about this artwork, and it is it's a great piece of art. Like, don't get me wrong. It's

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it's fantastic. I just, I have so many questions and a

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constantly like, I could play wait for hours listening to it.

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And so if I'm just kind curious, like,

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Just why why is it the way it is. I mean, this is a painting that sold

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the highest paid amount for a piece of art at auction

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it was four hundred, fifty point three million dollars.

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at Kris in November two twenty seventeen, and then just disappeared.

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it went off into the either, and we've never seen it

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in the light of day since, which, of course, brings up so many questions for me. Why who

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what when where how, like, all of it? And so I just read this

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incredibly interesting.

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and it's

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it's ...I mean, at the more you take, the more that kinda comes on

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that makes it more bizarre. For example, there was a documentary actually, that was

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just premiere this last Sunday as film.

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of, try film i. There we go. Now I gonna say it. And

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and true,

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It's called the ...the lost leonardo, and it's a hour long documentary ring

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specifically about this painting. And so what it is is everyone genuinely will be used

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but this is in fact a real leonardo. There's been a lot of

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Who hoopla, if you will, about whether or not it

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truly is not take in not to vinci. And those

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of you who are not aware of this. It is so extremely rare to find a new

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or discover Of be vinci. His works are pretty well catalog.

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well known and

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well sought after by collectors. Fun fact, actually bill gates owns

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quite a bit of

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his portfolios. So if you're looking for a good road to a,, keep your

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eye out for Bill Gates collection they have a lot of really good stuff.

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I'm I'm actually really a

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had the

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absolute pleasure Being will see some of his collection in the Leonardo vinci

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submission at move a couple of years ago is so cool.

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But, yeah. So what this documentary?

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they basically dig in that it

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people are standing by that this isn't an authentic vinci.

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And then on top of that head, like, they do. In fact, believe that it was

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one of the saudi princes as it work

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so actually, it's saudi Prince who had all

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Killed. Sorry Tomorrow. I've

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Butcher your name. Alright.

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which at leads just to another whole thing of, like, so many questions it's just a

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rabbit hole, but I closely on myself falling count, and I just

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and so intrigued, and I just think about this work all the time in the craftsmanship that went into it.

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the restoration that was done on it, and that goes into this whole idea. I was like, well, is it a

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really hot authentic painting anymore because it's been so

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preserved and restored at this point.

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by other artists who have gotten the hold of it.

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And when of the other artists i people who work in conservation labs

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and restore our bricks for people.

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And so is it truly authentic painting at that point, which I think is just so, again,

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you fall on this rabbit. And with that being said, I would love to open the stage up

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anyone who would like to talk about a piece that lives

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in their head rent free, It can be a statue. It can be up

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a porcelain. Anything goes here guys, you're are

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absolutely, welcome to it. It doesn't have to be haunting as in, like, negative. It can be a positive piece that you just

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constantly find Joy from.

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And I mean, truly, if it is literally a haunted piece that is haunting you, I want to know every

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thing. I am all about the spooky things. So please

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to come up here If you have something spooky and truly haunted cities, I wear in the collection.

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While everyone does that. I think We're gonna talk a little bit more

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about this salvador Moon, and you guys

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can have a little more on what it is that you're thinking of. Is the other, again, it's just

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really interesting The composition of it is great. Really solid

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composition, and it totally is understandable why it was going for quite a decent

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christ before everyone attributed it to Eli of vinci.

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who's originally sold they think in twenty eleven, like

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less than two thousand dollars. And, of course, then to go on to be the most

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expensive pain ever sold is truly interesting. And fascinating. I mean, it really does

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attribution makes a difference guys, especially when it comes to options.

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it's so

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I mean, the psychology fascinating, and there should be any entire studies based on it. But

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Another only thing I have is like I said, this piece disappeared off the face of earth earth.

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it was supposed to be in the lose five hundred anniversary exhibition of lean art vinci where

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like his entire life works. And it's just so fascinating that

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it was supposed in it and then suddenly, no. It just didn't show up.

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and people were like, oh, sorry. We didn't get it to you like, it

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we just think around to it, and there was supposed to be in the louvre op

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Hobby, and then suddenly, it wasn't It was gone. And it was like,

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guys, where is this He? What where is this painting?

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in two,

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why why isn't anyone coming forward about the authenticity of it who bought it?

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and things like that. And people are saying no, of course, know. Like if is authentic and as

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in fact, the Saudi Prince who has

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purchased it, and it's

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is incredibly fascinating.

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And I just ...I have so many questions.

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about specifically.

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Yes. Lily. I I love your comment.

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it is there's

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many things hidden way for all of

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attorney or the

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pieces, but I just

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it it's a ...it's such a bizarre situation, and then the art well, they're

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it isn't usually very

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there is a level of bizarre. I should say. But not quite to this.

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and it just makes it so fascinating in

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And I just

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I I you so many questions. I saw a why will people come forward? What does them is the, like,

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about this painting team.

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is it

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damage. Did we find out it wasn't truly authentic? Like in someone's high

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it's a money of laundry? Like, it's says the biggest on public monitoring laundry.

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we've ever received in our entire lives. What is it

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And it's ...I mean, for the painting itself, if you guys have a Google,

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it has its own Wikipedia page, and so you can

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you can have a look on what wikipedia and see all the different versions of it out there.

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because this author when get the actual, like,

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Jesus with the sort of the savior of the world.

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that is in fact. Oh, my peter

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that is in fact a very common

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sort of thing that religious to

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point. I should say that you seeing quite a bit of

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art religious subjects I should say, It's very, very common. And so I'm just saying

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Again,

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the behind so intriguing. Peter Hi. Well,

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Thank you for coming up on the stage. What are

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Hey,. How are you?

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when artwork work living your head right

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there's there's a couple that I wanted to first, but there's one in particular I wanted to first

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just respond to the Salvador Monday

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conversations. I I popped in because the the title of this

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what our or con you I knew exactly what crossed my mind.

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But then when I got where, you were talking about that and

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I happened to so see

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that painting

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in person, the the morning of the option in which it was sold.

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And

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there's something something that was really special about being able to

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do that. And then I watched the option

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that night, and, of course, you know, the world erupted with

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this this price that was paid for it that was not as

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actually wasn't just the most expensive price paid for a painting. It's the most expensive piece of artwork.

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in the world ever sold. And the main so. But

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to your questions about it, there still remains

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a tremendous amount of skepticism as to whether or not

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and then she actually painted it.

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and

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he could have paid part of it, Jenny, and and students finished it or or all

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all other

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questions still out there, but you brought up

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one of the most important words, I think in the art world, and that is attribution.

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that once

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enough

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scholars and experts, and and I don't

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I don't think they were playing a game or or purposely

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fabric a response, But

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once enough of them weigh down and set,

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I think we lost her there Peter, but

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Oh we got you back.

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it'll being one of the few remaining art out there.

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The boat did you did you this link we hear?

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Yeah. We lost you for just a minute. It doesn't you walk

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Oh,

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away from your file. Sorry.

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my my phone rang, and I had to push you no, I'm not gonna

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Oh no.

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But what I was All I was saying is that because there are

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so few if any

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vinci she's known to exist that haven't been discovered out there. It became the

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work like phenomenon, but there is something special about.

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about the painting it is beautiful. This composed well away.

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the org is painted. Is pretty exquisite and I can see why the

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was made to vinci even if noncitizens isn't

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isn't his. But

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the question is what art we're on, and there's a piece in the met

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here

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in New York City where I live.

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by

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caught Monet called the Park So

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And they're actually a couple of them one

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the same title that the one I'm talking about is the

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vertical piece.

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and many years ago, when I first laid eyes on that painting,

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after

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learning about

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impression arts and

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impressions are being something that a lot of us who appreciate art, that don't know much

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about it history can

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can easily find a way again

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the nineteenth century

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world of art.

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I looked at that painting and

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it was something

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And I mean that just

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or something.

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it was beautiful.

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and then I walked toward it, and I got close and closer and closer.

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and I realized

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that nothing I was seeing in my mind's eye was actually in the painting.

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it was truly

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I think it's chilly one of the most brilliant examples of impression art.

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it gave me the impression of of details and

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specificity that does not actually exist

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If you're I'm unfamiliar with the painting, it's a

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a beautiful

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summer painting, and it has

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people sitting on benches

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and they're having some lunch and they're all dressed in their field, of course.

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and I specifically recall

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that

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I saw their faces, their expression

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I saw the sandwiches they were eating

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I saw everything about the experience

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But in fact, I saw none of that because it doesn't exist.

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their faces are just a single blob of painting.

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of paid.

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etcetera, etcetera. And the lighting is so beautifully painted that it

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it feels warmer, than the environment standing around it.

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So what's

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The reason I say that painting horns me,

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is that I saw for the first time maybe fifteen years ago.

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And to this day, when I walked into that room,

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I take people to show them that painting to explain what impression art.

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really means because it does this. It has a same effect on me today.

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it still looks fully detailed from fifteen feet away, but

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like, blossom of paint when you're at up on it.

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So that's what I wanna to say.

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And I'm so glad. You had this

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topic.

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Yeah. No. Thank you, Peter. Thank you for

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join what an experience actually have seen this Salvador Moon like,

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Yeah.

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in the room and the sales room. And then during the auction, I cannot like a

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explain it to people what the energy is to sit in during a live eye

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sale. I tried to convince people one, like, once in your life, you should go to an

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the energy is just unparalleled. And just I

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can't even imagine watching the say lot if what that must have been.

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But going on to your piece, I the park is

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Oh, yay.

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one of my favorites and that I used to work there. And I know it's

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I you know where I? I I hope out in Brooklyn now. So I'm also a Fellow marker.

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But the ...yes,

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the park console is absolutely breathtaking, and I love. I love that it's

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Is it?

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what a beautiful reaction you had to it, and I buffer out Makes

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that's exactly what I was hoping for, And I love that you interpreted it perfectly. What I was saying is what hunt

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Yeah. Yeah.

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you. That's that's exactly it

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Well,

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Thank you so much for sharing. You know really appreciate it you're welcome to stay up on stage. If you have anything else you'd like

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contribute.

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Oh,

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thank you actually, I'm being called to dinner right now, but I I

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saw this title and I wanted to pop in and I really appreciate giving me the time to

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to share. And I I appreciate this. You here.

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Oh, of course. Thank you, Peter,

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Thank you

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appreciate you being here enjoy your dinner. Terry, welcome to the

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see trying. What's the artwork that haunt you?

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Hey,. Can you hear me okay? I'm out on the walk. So

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audio not the best and I apologize. But

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grave.

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Now. We we've got you, and we can hear you. I am so

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to hear what what lives your head and front free?

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So it's last by Alaska.

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Oh,

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and

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yes.

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that started out as when you're a little kid,

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and your parents have these art. There it was like, a

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series. I just remembered them, they were all in hard bound

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covers within sleeves. There were white

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I don't know what the series was, but the Spanish artist

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were everything.

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and seeing last anemia in particular

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was so incredible. I went

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own away by

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everything in the painting, The little

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the little person in the

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right hand side if I remember right, with the there were the dog

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at the bottom of that, the expressions of those people

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the princess getting done up and there is

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somebody in a doorway away. And then I think Alaska himself

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was in the painting.

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her I

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I am trying to remember. That's right. And it was just so, like,

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I just remember all the stories I would tell myself.

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about what was happening in that

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picture. And to me, and I think I said this

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in my quest or my pop on stage, whatever.

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is that, like, sense

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and, like,

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what you smell and what the music you're listening to

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and are all together, like, it it's

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put you in a specific place in time. And for me,

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that's in the parents living room with their white

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chad carpet and their white book

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It was just a thing, and then I got to see them at

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the pot. I became a flight center

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And went she's staying, even before that, I went to Spain

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and

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I was just obsessed with. I have to see this. I have to see this.

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and I just sat in front of this painting.

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for probably a couple of hours and dissect it

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and it was just the coolest thing. So that for me, that experience going

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the product, seeing that painting,

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and that

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the whole story I had in my head

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was everything? So thank you. That's it.

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thank you, Terry, that was absolutely like, but

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phenomenal. I also love less. I have such a house girl.

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I recently was doing some work on the Burger show.

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and there's the last because hiding in the background of one the scenes,

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I scream.

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it is though. It's that's the last because you see it in a beautiful

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you're just sitting right behind Queen Charlotte, and I literally that ...I had the exact same reaction when I saw in the

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I just screamed. I was just like, for last. And what the experience to see

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that piece specifically

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Yes.

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in the product. Like, absolutely ...I would give

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my left arm to be able to have that experience. I have not been lucky enough to go to the product yet.

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but I love that It is it's a fantastic painting. You absolutely right. ...there's I'm someone who's said

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little person. I'm not quite sure what term they would have preferred.

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Right.

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during their life everything knew it. But ...but absolutely yeah.

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we have that. We have Alaska who's literally standing their painting the painting in the painting team.

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Yeah. He's

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such an inception.

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it was him. Right? Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.

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and I think he did that often. Yes.

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you yes. Okay.

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Yes. He just she loved. He loved Disney he

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into the things. I just love that. I love when the artist personality kind of seeks through.

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Thank.

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It just ...to me, I find that wonderful and as an art history historian end his

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I I love reading the the personalities of people, and these stories that sort of

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appear as you look at the pieces or find out more about them.

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but it is ...I love ...it's such a great painting.

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Okay. You know, I

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Yeah.

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have to ask them. And i'm sorry. There's the traffic.

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because you are

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an art historian. What is the era?

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of the painting. I think it's blemish. I wanna say their one strangers

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when they have, like, a little ...it's like, little secrets within the painting.

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Oh,

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is that the fun?

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Oh,

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That is. I love a good. I love a good Northern Renaissance

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campaign. I am ...that is, we're gonna have to side that, like, we will definitely have to

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the conversation offline specifically about that because I am

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I was joking people during the winter is ...I'm native from California, but I live in New York now.

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whenever go back to California people like can still pale. I'm like, yeah, I'm going for that.

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northern Renaissance look

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everything's so pale. It it's such a they're fascinating pieces, and the

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the secret to find just like you said these little hidden gems

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of knowledge and in little joy you can find looking in each

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team is fantastic. I would recommend to you actually one of my favorite pain in

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the whole way world if you haven't heard of it, it's it's in the royal collection trust.

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which is part of the queen and like, the Monarch.

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our collection called

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the Tribune and the few feet, and it was actually commissioned by Queen Charlotte.

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for

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by the artist, and

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It's absolutely wild. It literally is ...it's a pain of

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what the Tribune in the feed you'll be that we know and live today that sits in for.

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the tri that sits in that museum has always been opened to the

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like, every since the creation of it by cos medici,

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the grand to could not cause the first.

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the grand duke.

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guys. There many coffee those. This is ...there's a little wanna attention too.

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And it's just ...it's absolutely phenomenal, and is true. It shows

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the actual collection of the family during that time period, and it is it's

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accurate in how they hung the paintings, what paintings things they have in the collection of the time.

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and you can literally go into, like,

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though ...if you Google it,

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and the tribute ...yeah. The you feed, and it's

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absolutely breathtaking. And it's so many details. You'll just love it.

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So, yeah,. That that means that thank you so much for sharing. You know, was it's such a doorway way

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Here.

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If you are welcome to stay on stage, if you have anything else you would like to add in if not,

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I just wanna reset the room really quick is

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for those of who have just joined us welcome. We are discussing.

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what artwork work cons you or as I also like to

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it what art we're lives your head rent free.

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it can be porcelain. It can be sculpture. It can be armor.

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I will count on an army as artwork guys. Sometimes that

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middle working. Absolutely breathtaking.

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So, yeah, if anyone has anything they like to say, you're welcome to come up on stage.

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Otherwise, I'm happy to keep Chatting.

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you masters.

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I have one more artist. I have one more roots too

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Oh,

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you can contemporary now. But if you just this

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on me so much as he lights

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name

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Oh,

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So just that

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a k. Yeah. His

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on

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Yes. It does. And we are here for it.

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on Instagram, he is studio that's language.

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and he lives in New York,

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I adore him

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key is of fabulous day as

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you would like to call himself.

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and he has just a a a spectacular sense

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humor,

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his

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It ...he does illustrations. He does oh care people are seem to me.

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dirt

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then just

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really joyful.

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and

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I I have ...I have a gus

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which is

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sort of ...I'm not sure what the medium is. It's a sculpture.

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but it's of basically kim.

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with an ice cream tone and his

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you know, swim shorts, stripes swim shorts, it's

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it's really great. It's it is the most joyful art. So

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he lives in my head daily.

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Studio Bat slang. I adore him.

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adore him.

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I love that. How do you spell last name?

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It's

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that's

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Lang, b s, and then l a and g

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e l why i think

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Yeah. Is it l a and g l e y?

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Yes. That's. Yeah. This yes.

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Okay, Brilliant. Oh, yeah. No. I'm seeing him here. I'm gonna Googling I this is my life

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He's so funny to look at him.

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guy that's what I do. I literally google as we do.

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We'll love it.

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on Instagram, and she's got

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he's he's so funny.

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He's so sweet He's such a sweet die.

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and my husband gifted me with

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his the gus sculpture for christmas a couple of years ago.

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has everything.

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I love it

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it was everything.

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if you go ...if you scroll back some of these illustrations and the one that gotten me

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specifically.

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was his

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Christmas Carol,

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a Christmas Carol, I think it was, and it's just this illustration.

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like, spectre. Sitting it a dance skin shoes

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like, a joyful Christmas, I don't know what it was it just mean me laugh.

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And so I think anything that can make you laugh

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feel art. That makes you feel something. It doesn't have to be super heading does it?

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you know, it's just gotta make you

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do something.

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Absolutely.

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And I adore him.

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So let's me.

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Yeah. No. This is beautiful. I love it. I stand by the yeah.

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whatever inspires you, there is no such thing as low art. You know what I mean? It's

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anything that brings you joy and truly inspires you

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is a good piece of art. It doesn't matter. If it was done with your kids crayon box. Like, the

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absolutely all loud.

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and I love that. And I thank you for introducing me. I have This is

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great. This is what I live for, guys. If you ever have recommendations, find me in my Dms on

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If you click on my profile, I have my Instagram listed there. You can find me on Instagram and

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just shoot me any artists that you're always passionate about and love that.

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which leads me into my next we're getting close to closing the room in next five minute.

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So if anyone has anything they would like to say, you're welcome to come up on stage, please

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just raise your hand or request

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Oh, yeah Lily.

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Yes.

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Customer is absolutely beautiful. Just saw your comment there in the

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The reaction yes It is it's

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is a great piece. And absolutely always great works. And so

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But, yeah, it's absolutely guys that what's perks

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joy for you, what what lives your head rent free?

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One of the other ones for me as Box works.

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if you don't know what I'm talking about, Google, the garden inversely delight,

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which also sits in the pro though, and it's

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it's wild, guys. It is a while to you

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talk about a piece of art that keeps on giving. Every time I look at it, I'm finding something new to be

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totally fascinated by with it. Just constant

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bizarre things. Oh, Fyi. There is nudity in it. So be careful guys. You're

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your round children or people who may be, particularly sensitive to the

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things. I know it's art world, we get a little

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be to the the naked human form.

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but there are others who are not. So just

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to take that with the grain this all and be careful.

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but it is it's a beautiful piece. It's a

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gorgeous gorgeous work. And very, very interesting to see

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But, yeah, that being said, it's ...I'm always happy to connect with

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people and I do wanna promote, I will be doing a series coming up in the next

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few weeks, where I will be sort of, like, breaking down the art market. I will be spending time time

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about different institutions of our markets. So auction houses, galleries,

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art fares, anything you that you might wanna know about

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that's what I'll be doing. I'll be doing sort of asking our historian and

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I have personally worked in Kris. I have worked a minute

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I've worked at contemporary art galleries in London.

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and so I have literally lived it. And I walked it.

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And so I'm always happy to share those experiences with people. So

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kind helps de the market and bring a little transparency

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into our lives.

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I so that's always great. Lily, I love this American gossip

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is your comment and, absolutely Murder American Gothic is always great. That's

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what i work at just people continuously are trying to and I myself and always

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fact. It's a great piece. Again, you guys just

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have a Google search on it. It's a very famous work of art. It's

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really, really cool. And ...you'll know it the minute. You see it.

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Hi Terry, I wish I grew up in a very science household so I wish I

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could have had parents who had art laying around. I would've been such a joy for me as a child.

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I was the rivers reverse of many children I was like, I wanna spend more time in. I think my

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currents were quite worried. They had dropped me at some point because of it

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the that being said, if no one else has anything else, they would like to contribute

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Thank you so much everyone who participated everyone who came in to visit

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it has been an absolute delight everybody think you

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so much. And I look forward to connecting with you in my next room. Thanks, guys.

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