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Oh. Good evening. Good afternoon, wherever you are

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welcome. Welcome welcome welcome. If you guys can hear me queue available.

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thumbs up. I feel like my mic might be a little bit off tonight.

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Well, we're just gonna go ahead. One these days. Right.

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So welcome to the ninth episode of the Bo art historian, where

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i on the

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the art historian known security our historian, but under the

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is west sober, pun intended and of

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the bo art where I try to make our history fun one drink at a time.

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right. And so, today, I wanted to talk about artwork that

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haunt you. Now I can mean that literally figuratively

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The whole point is I want this to be an open space

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anyone to come up on stage, who like to talk about artwork work that they

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cannot knock it out of their mind. You may have seen it yesterday. You may have seen in a year ago. You using.

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But here's you i. I'm not here to judge.

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whenever you saw this piece, those piece will not leave your mind.

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and that's... I would love to have you my here and talk about it until then.

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to request access, You could hit little

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hamburger over there and then hit request to speak.

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and I will let you up on stage, but in the meantime, I'm gonna talk about one of the artworks that

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hunt my mind.

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Chris, I see you records the reason. It's like not

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like, letting me

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let me see if I gonna try it. It's not living that up.

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So if you don't mind trying again to

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get out another go.

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But in the meantime, Oh, there we are. Hello. Hi, Groove.

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Welcome, Welcome welcome. How are you tonight?

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Good. Good. Always a pleasure to have you ups.

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here. So what artwork wants you?

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Hi, my, bread.

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I'm great. How are you?

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you know, it's it's

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at scary spooky time of year. And I always try to remember

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I wish remember this this very scary thing. Now you live in New York Right?

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That is Correct. I live in New York City.

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Yep.

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in the city.

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Okay.

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many years ago,

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when I lived in New York City, there was a

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same restaurant downtown sue a few of them out there. But when I live there, it was

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theme restaurant, Central, New York was right. There was the

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fashion cafe. There's the hard rock cafe. There was the rainforest calf

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say Je and Hyde, I think, is still there.

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but the Second hyde

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owned a restaurant downtown called the night gallery.

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Now first question is

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Jacqueline Heights, Still and Manhattan.

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that I don't know actually who

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oh,

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let me have a think on that within your like times square,

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It was no more like Columbus circle.

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I think

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Yeah. Don't for myself.

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I think it was close that.

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It

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that area. Yep. It's still open. I'm seeing it's the Club

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which sits in your greenwich shoe village.

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Oh, maybe they moved.

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that the one you're thinking enough,

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it might be in my

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It's kind of a very spooky interior.

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which I'm really into now and I'm like, no. I really I to go and check it out.

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Well, maybe maybe I just don't remember

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But, yeah, the bathroom you'd love it. The bathroom is

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Oh,

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just a wall of books. It's like a secret entrance to the bathroom.

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and you have to kinda find your way there That's very cute.

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I love that.

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it's very cute. But I am getting off topic. I apologize for that, and, by the way,

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No. No.

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Thank you for bringing me up. What a fun

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time of year to do this. And I know I'll think of some actual art

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when I hop off the stage, but

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I digress. There was a same restaurant

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downtown called night gallery.

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and it was based on this

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This show that Roger Rowling, we all know Rod Sterling did

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twilight zone in, like, the fifties in the sixties.

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But what a lot of people don't remember unless they're huge like horror fans was

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this anthology series he did in the seventies.

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called night gallery. Are you familiar with it? You know?

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I am not. So I'm very intrigued about this. Tell me more

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please.

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Okay. Well, it's... I believe it might be on Netflix

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or food. It might be out there.

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but nevertheless, much like the twilight zone.

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The night gallery had rod sterling

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introducing a story for the evening and

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it would have some

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twist, of course, to it.

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And in this case, it was always very dark.

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much like the Twilight zone was. But

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every story was peg off of a piece of art.

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So Mister Sterling would be walking around this black gallery.

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past different kinds of dark looking art very art

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and he walked up to a particular painting, and then he would tell you the story of that.

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now sometimes most of the time, that piece of art,

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was in that anthology, and I don't wanna spoil that for you that my

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be a great Halloween art John Kelly and

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film art, Fireside to do, But

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what really creeps me out is

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not the Tv show so much, which that's into the rabbit.

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but the steam restaurant that was created also that idea.

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So it was you go in for burgers and overpriced burgers and fries.

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into a a dark gallery.

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filled with Art, and then

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where the curator would have the notes, the introduction,

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it would tell a very spooky story and maybe

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I don't know three hundred words or less, and I'm still

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haunted by some of the art that was in there.

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for example,

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it was a clown, a big huge clown.

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And I think his name was

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jumble or something I jumbled the clown

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and the story underneath it creeps me out. Oh, look, John Killing answer

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The story went the jump was the clown

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was known for being the rave of

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children's parties, and he would go to them.

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until he got hungry.

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and then he would start his magic trick, which was

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to take children from the audience and show them how they were going to disappear.

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and he would open his giant mouth, which this art

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showed this clown of the giant off, and it would open up

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and dropped the children in, and the children would laugh and laugh, and he'd say who's next

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and two or three children in

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they would start to realize that he was actually eating the children.

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and and on and on, it would go until all the children were gone.

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So there was this huge piece of

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art the sculpture of this clown with this wide mass,

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downtown New York City at the night gallery.

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restaurant. And when the night gallery restaurant

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disappeared.

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I have been haunted by wondering where this Art was

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were some things made out of cockroaches and others with demons

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and all very scary, but where is that clown?

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I don't know. And to the date, it's

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I need to know

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Chris, thank you for sharing this. This is amazing, and I am

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deeply disturbed that my friends have not like, a i

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myself what does never introduce me to my gallery. So thank you for this, like,

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Thank you so much. Also,

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I too need to know about these clouds. I need to... I have I am now like,

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this is gonna be my my spooky mission is to find what happened to college cultures.

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did they go to a probably some private collector, like, what's

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them away, and they now in their estate somewhere up

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Probably.

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the New york or wherever, and probably terrifying.

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the more keeper that means estate. But

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Well, granted, grand would

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keep in mind because you are at an expert with real art.

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this was our it was commissioned for a restaurant, but it was scary.

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Oh, yeah.

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you know, the sculptures out of copper and such

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I mean, it like a beautiful sculpture and you go up really close and you'd realize, oh my god.

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those are

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like, thousands of concord. So

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I mean, i'd listen at Kris, I am

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I am gonna be honest you Talk feel about a lot of contemporary. It's like, oh, my how beautiful. Oh, wait. No. That's

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Yeah

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they're making a statement they're making a statement. I don't know if you caught my creepy art

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episode or not, but there is a gentleman an artist.

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who does self portrait as himself every five years, and he uses, like,

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ten times of zone blood.

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and, like, molded into a silicon both of his face so takes every five year increments.

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and then he puts that on displays. You can, like, see him aging with his own. It's it's

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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so grotesque task in so many ways.

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Thank you so much for coming. As well too. I will get you in a moment. Chris,

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thank you. This is incredible and I love this, and I am now gonna fall down this Rabbit whole

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and I may emerge from minute. I may not...

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either way, I will be following up with you.

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awful offline about this because so many more questions for you.

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thing you

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absolute.

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May I

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so much. This is amazing.

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May I leave you with one more before

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Oh, yes, please.

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I

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Okay. When I worked at the, and, honestly, I don't wanna take up the stage

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because case here, when I worked at the Museum, many years ago,

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there was a display about

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about what was ethical in art and what should be done.

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and

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there was a painting we had that was an original print

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And part of my French, it's called piss Christ.

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are you familiar with piss Christ?

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I am and I know exactly where you're going with this, but I don't think anyone in

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audience. They know it's except for Amy movie John, which granted

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I mean, the fact that we call on, I think gives away the fact that he probably shouldn't know these things.

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it's true

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That's that's all I will leave your your audience with

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just that the question of is this arch or not?

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to use bodily fluids and religious symbols

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and put them together and call that our... Their the the painting I'm speaking of.

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was created in nineteen eighty seven by On grace Shimano.

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So go ahead and look that one up. I don't wanna take any more time any on the stage here,

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get right to it, but I just love this room. Thank you so much.

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you know, and thank you for letting me speak today. Happy Halloween everyone.

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of

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course. Thank you, Chris, We're coming up and sharing that's amazing. Yes, everyone down on the audience.

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I do recommend having to Google on what Chris was discussing because it is

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it's fantastic second, and it's amazing.

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this necessarily... I think far, I would appreciate me posting into our fortune cookie.

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that's why we you search

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do it with a private Google tab, just fyi.

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That means said Hello. Welcome up here. Do you have an artwork

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that horns for you literally or

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I do. But

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as Chris was just talking, and now I'm thinking about, like,

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conceptual of our and what is haunting and

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terms of, like, what sits with me versus kind of what's haunting in terms of

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reflecting our own modern times

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and the things that we need to sit with uncomfortable

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at times and to that,

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point. It actually wasn't what I was going to bring up at Chris

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brought this to mind is there is a well known artist

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Jasmine Jasmine or judgment. I'm I don't

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Over for name Carter who actually uses his mental blood.

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to for her artwork.

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and that's what she paints with. And I suppose on the surface, you did

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have multitude of reactions

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but I would argue that

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one of the things that create a haunting experience is something that

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through the really makes you question it makes you very, very uncomfortable.

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But is reflective of

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some of the bigger issues of our time. So

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So Chris made me think of that. But

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that's actually not what I was going to bring out what I wanted to talk about

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was the rape of Por.

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And, general, I'm sure you are

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Alright.

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very well versed in in this

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sculpture the vineyard Bernie sculpture, the Museum.

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It is

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I think the only time I have stopped

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and stared for hours.

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at a sculpture or any piece of art.

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yeah

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the cross

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this story, the translation

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over the ages.

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is incredibly haunting.

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and it's something that will never

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I can't shake from my head.

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Yes. Absolutely. Bern has

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he is a musician

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with

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sculpture. I mean, just absolutely. And the that

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Yes. I mean, the story it's something I'm gonna pop that into the fortune cookie for you guys

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is this a really interesting if you don't know a story of it,

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it don't really, like... It

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was trigger warning for anyone who has suffered or been breed or

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anything like that. Just

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Fyi drug warning in the link to be the article Just put into the Fortune cookie.

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but that means i've

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it is

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it's incredible. And I mean, how Bernie does it is he doesn't

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may it like, oh, yeah. This is a he's a good dude or whatever she's

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rock she's hiding, and it's movement in

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stone is mesmerizing.

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and it's so fascinating. And I mean, nothing

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a lot of art history and it's been very male dominated and

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is really, very interesting than that we go down another

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rabbit hole which case I'd love you provide up.

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I believe it is Jasmine, but that means that I'd

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could. But, yes, Jasmine, Carter does

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you is a whole bunch of stuff. I'm hearing painting, which is again, very interesting because this very feminist are going

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using idea one blood, which we see constantly throughout religious art

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and the male sphere as well too isn't as gross.

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per. As long we see women use it, which is

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very, very interesting. That may be a show unto it

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south because it's... I could argue rel are a whole bunch of

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pieces of dead people, and that's not gross. That's

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highly precious religious art

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Oh, I digress. We're not gonna go that way. But, yes, I love that.

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i love... I mean, anything My is just

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I could spend hours and hours and hours in front of it. It's so much fun.

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I love that. Thank you, Can. I really appreciate it. Do you have any other heart? Did you wanna use share with us or any

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fun little facts rather that you saw.

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No. I I think I think that was just that

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Oh, no.

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Yes. And I I have apologize for not giving a trigger warning before

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saying the name of that piece.

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but actually, as

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as you were talking also about the use of blood,

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Right. And we know that women

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have now started to kinda reclaim that in artwork.

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I reminded me of the movie, the red Violin,

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Right? Where supposedly blood was used as a veneer for the

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for the violin coding, and that actually has some

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history, a little bit of a history to a in terms of

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the movie and and where the violin came

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from. And I think that to me, like, the history and canada

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unknown history, especially when it comes to

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the intimacy of the creator is just

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to me, that's what's haunting and artwork.

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Yes. Absolutely. Thank you.

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yeah I think know a very good point to make and is

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really really fascinating. And it it is... I mean,

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wasn't itself is very gross and it... I mean,

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I might open not speaking into this there's a reason Why I went into our history, and I didn't become a surgeon guy.

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like, absolutely cannot stand on the side of blood. It is

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not my forte at all But I think it's very interesting to use a

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blood. And, again, that's that's the whole thing that

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is just.

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Absolutely. Like,

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many things. Welcome to the stage spooky, John, we said and this

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summoned you and hear you are. Welcome to the stage. Are you

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I'm good. Somebody must have drawn a panoramic

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put some coffee in the center of it because here I am.

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Chris. I'm done.

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I love it

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And and I find your last statement hilarious

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because I'm the one who's like, yay. Hey blood. Yes. Absolutely.

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He wasn't to each their own. I mean, for me,

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they're entire people who make very, like, six

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successful career how being people with... And working with blood. I mean, we have

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surgeons, medical profession, things like I

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good for them, Like, well done you, but

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That's not for me. Respected it. We need people like you guys.

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who are like.

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So I probably shouldn't... I probably shouldn't tell you about some of my heart projects than

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So

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Oh, I think... I think I'll pass on that.

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Oh,

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We'll say that for another creepy. How about that?

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fair fair enough. But

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I am actually... I'm sending you an Instagram

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profile right now.

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And this is some of the the more haunting and and really intense

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this this is stirring away from painting and moving into

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photography, but I found this person's

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work to be

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haunting, disturbing and

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it it sticks to my ribs.

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I I don't even know how to pronounce her her ongoing

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like her her artistic name, the Or something like that.

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but it's I can't shake. Like, ever since I saw this this person's work

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it kinda of fried my brain. I don't think I've ever been the same sense.

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m

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you know, I don't know if you wanna share that link with with anyone to

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so they can see what it's all about, But it's a whole lot of body into

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That? Just popped it into the fortune cookie for you guys.

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I... There is, like, there recently ethnicity. But I mean, that's something that we wouldn't see normally in our

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Yeah. There's

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like old master art. I mean, let's be real.

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there is some mild nudity, most of it is censored, but there is a whole lot of use

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of really, really dark and twisted crops. So view it your own discretion if you're not

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into

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uncomfortable things

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probably you shouldn't click on that.

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but beyond on this person, there is a sculpture in Westminster

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sure that I'm absolutely obsessed with. And, you know, you might actually know about this. It's

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morningstar star by Paul Fryer.

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Yes. I

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The the giant

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sculpture of the black angel that is suspended in the center of the church.

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It's great. It's a great statue.

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It's it's fascinating.

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Absolutely fascinating And then for those people who are thinking, I know Where spoke you season,

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and they did just come out like, last couple of years. The chilling adventures of sabrina

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on Netflix.

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which of the first two these is what's on with, like, can't also, like, no

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I also watched

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all of it, but that being said, that is not the same statue as what

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speaking, John is referencing here. I will put a link to it in the

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fortune game just a moment, but it's it's haunting... It's absolutely haunting.

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It it really is.

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what an interesting piece to put in a church

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Right. Yeah. Like, I I I was not

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expecting that at all, but it's... Ever since I saw that, like my jaw is

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hit the floor. I could not even wrap my head around it. It was just... And with all of the

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the suspension pieces that holding it.

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up in the air. It's just

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it is it is truly a feat

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it's a sight to hold.

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it's it's worth checking out.

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But yeah. I think those are the two the two main things that have

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stuck to my ribs were stuck to

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stuck to my heart in the my cold dark icy little heart

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over the last few years. But, of course, you know,

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Hr Guy is always gonna be there for me.

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I mean, absolutely. As as as

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Right. Well, that's that's my two cents.

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there there are plenty of other things that have sure

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sunk their fingers into my brain over the years honestly. I think it just become decisive.

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Never all

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as I've just put in i took me as I can't to find something on something what reliable

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But That said, I've just found the philosophers statue.

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image for you all. So if you wanna have a lead peek got it, that's it in the

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and the link there in the fortune cookie, but, yes, Absolutely I mean, on there is a point where

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one becomes the after looking at so much new being art anyway. So that's a

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in life in general. And it's like, yeah. That's

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when you look at something for so much, it's hard not to become do sense. So

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considering that we call you spooky, John, I will grant you that you may be a bit

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the all spooky.

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So

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It takes a lot for me it really does.

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love.

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Alright. Well, thank you. Thank you for this. You know, this is is always a blast

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thanks for doing this one, especially for the safety

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Of course. Thank you so much for coming.

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here's spoke, John, and those of you who are not familiar with

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school you John, He is sort of our resident here on Fireside, all things spooky.

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absolutely. Chuck him out, who's got some really great stuff coming up as well as

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anything If you do wanna be truly horrified, I would plug

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cheap bag the and Brian burns. They do environmental impact and

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all things climate change, which is truly horrifying. That is

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that's kind something

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gives me nightmares. Chris as well, does all kinds of really fun things as you can tell when

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came up here. Lily, thank you for this. I see you've

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giving me a little good in Instagram oh these head dark gravy,

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I will share those with everyone who cannot

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see it perhaps the chat. I hope you can know if you click little level,

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you will be, but those were are listening interesting of

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keeping that easy. I'm just gonna post that right into

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before to cookie, I can do both. I promise.

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And this

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is so much. Okay.

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it work. These are fun and thank you, really for sharing.

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Oh when trigger your instagram well perfect. This one reminds me

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so much of the Victorian albert museum and I don't know why.

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but these heads are so crazy.

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I love it.

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I love it. I'm i'm obsessed with this. And it it's really funny because

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I love the people always don't see him I say, what artwork wants you?

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is something that's maybe dark or sinister

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and I'm over here thinking about about this

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this little mechanical ship that I saw many many years ago

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back when I was living on France, i I was in paris.

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and I took a little day trip out to Chat Echo, which is

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a great places that it's actually really fun fact It's.

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the show that

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basically moved a lot of the pieces from the move into during what worked

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too to keep it from being bombed and so you preserve the sort of cultural heritage

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And it's beautiful shutdown and they have an incredible collection.

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of renaissance and medieval art

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And so I do recommend it to anyone who's looking for a little trip outside.

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of paris and kinda get off the beaten path. But

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I can like a the little mechanical ship out of my mind.

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is so cute, and it's so tiny It was made for charles to fifth.

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and it still works. Like, it so works there's a little video and it it is supplements on so

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do not like,

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I really watch it when you have a minute. It like seven minutes I'm fact.

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but it's great, and it has a little kid fires. Like, it's

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I can't stop thinking about it guys. Like, I mean, it's been years since I've seen this piece, and I cannot stop

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thinking about it. Oh, thank you, Key. Well. I see the

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outside Is

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incredible as well too. Oh, yeah. Those baby heads are so.

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Yes. No. Thank you. I

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do not need that in my life. But

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Yeah. So I definitely recommend having you look at this ship. It

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really cool. So like I said it was made for charles fifth.

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it's really beautiful and very intricate, and it's automated. It has three mass

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the guy are the humans, one of which is hidden in the dragon

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she's bigger ahead.

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we have a brass hall, which is chosen of ornaments

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I mean, the little people row on it. It's

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so cool it has no less than seven movement.

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which at the time guys, this is like a really complicated piece of mechanism.

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the people are doing it. And it's so cool. Like, there's musical mechanisms. There's

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trumpet players. There's, like, all kinds of stuff. It's

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wild.

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and what's really fun product actually is no one knows

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who actually need it. So it it's just mirror in the museum and they

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it might have

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ben hans sc time. I would y'all have give my terrible German pronunciation.

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I, of course, all good

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clockwork things come from Germany or Countries.

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This one is he

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got to have worked for the Duke of In the Imperial Court

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p. Really really interesting stuff.

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And part... He has quite a few of his works in root off the second collection.

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but this is really fun because we actually see emperor Charles sitting in it.

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at the very head of that. It's really cool. And I

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I just I cannot recommend it enough like that little Canon firing. I will not forget that moment.

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which I think is historical.

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then not being inside.

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there isn't fact a creepy piece

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that gets me. And let me see if I can find it for y'all

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it's, obviously, i've

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I am always bit by us towards the Family of art

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since I live in York york City. This one is incredible.

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and it is something you may know it actually, It is the

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Watson and the shark by John is signaled in Hopefully

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money was no cowboy because he's the one who does the very famous painting of

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pull beer. It's embarrassing. Totally for forgot Paul variable it's there for a minute. Well.

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I was wondering around the American recently. And, absolutely, I just

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painting kids me every time as we have this

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person is naked figure in the waters, a shark comes rising up from the side and

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it's about to, like, just swallow it like, I mean, you can see the gums of the char

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and it's based some real events, and it

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Absolutely. Like, this guy this poor man.

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Brooke Watson actually loses his leg to the shark.

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as a swimming the Savannah the, Pervert in seventeen forty nine.

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But is really... I mean, the penis of the composition is just

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absolutely like. There's so much... Like, i'm talking about kids.

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burning pieces that there's so much of movement and that's

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what truly makes in my opinion that great of art is when you can like your stare of

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hours and hours and hours.

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feel the emotion of the painting, and the tension the shark comes out to bite.

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and the the English of the arm of our poor and if he's trying to be saved,

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the ship as they bring out down to him. It don't look like watching out horror movie. And but almost like

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jaws, if you will. Like, oh my god. And don't wanna look. I don't wanna lot. I thought i put your answer eyes.

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because here's those you youtube live. You does... We just

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unfortunately missing like, but still.

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it's terrifying. And I think every once in a while, I like forget about the painting, and then I

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forget about the opinion remember it. Whether I've seen it or someone brings it out

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like, why would you do this to me? This is stuck in my mind.

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forever. Thank you. So so

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It's just... It's a lot. It's As per usual this

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how my little arc historical brain runs. Another one I came across and then

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I will start dropping up. So if anyone has anything you would like to contribute,

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or come back up on stage. You are always more than welcome. I'm make give a little bit shorter tonight.

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it it's Friday night, and it is spooky season so I know everybody wants to be doing fun

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key things. Not if gonna wants to sit around for hours and hours and talk about art with me.

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But this one, I love. I love me Some good early.

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American are... Early, this is not very early. I mean, I'm calling it really

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it looks early, but it doesn't... And just... I find this

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so comical. And, like, every time I see it, I just have to stop and stare and I just

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I just been in front of it. I have many questions for many people.

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it's a young child

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you mean like a toddler, eating grapes out of this

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very absurd large glass. Now either the

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is absurd large or the baby is absurd small. I do not know which

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And I have many questions. Why which one is it? What's what is the perspective

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here.

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But either ways, and this was numb. I'm going to say Va. I

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could be fan name. I don't know. But I'm not good with

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dutch needs unfortunately, which is very tragic I live in the New york.

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city region, which is a whole bunch of dutch.

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things. As I say, as I just went to Terry town in case,

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sleepy be hollow. Which... Just... That's that's American immigration right there.

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And it's actually really interesting because this thing of done.

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as john... It's done by Joshua Johnson, who is the early

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professional african American painter in America.

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very, very interesting, very interesting artists, and I definitely recommend having the beaver look into

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his works. And giving him hug Google, you can do so. If you

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click on the link in the fortune cookie, the metropolitan museum part as always says

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spectacular job

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with their website presence and with the art and

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represent the Orchestra as all too. And it's just... It's

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I I just I have many questions, guys. I cannot

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stop thinking about those painting, Like, would your bigger the toddler or of the greek?

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class. And and it's just

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far. Although maybe says, like, looking at the it

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is it a strawberry or is it a great, which is it that she's holding.

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I feel like it's a strawberry, but then when glass looks like it's filtered grapes.

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And why is she point other the grapes? What's happening? What is going on?

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to so so many questions, and this is

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this is the rabbit all my little brain down into

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But that being said.

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thank you, everyone who has come up on stage. I will stop rambling know about the

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baby this taller and the creek class.

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And if anyone has any questions, comments thoughts feelings,

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that you are welcome to jump up on stage in last few seconds here.

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if not, you can always reach out to me on my website, which is the beauty

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story or boo variant dot com.

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as well as on Instagram, my handle is bu art historian on Instagram.

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You can also find me the curious art historian on Instagram well

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to where I post fun facts about art history,

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at least a couple of times a week.

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that I leave some technical issues with Instagram, So I've been mostly on the

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bu historian. That being said, my vms are

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always open. You guys are welcome to ask me questions today tomorrow a year from now.

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I was

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i love and always, and my virtual doors is always open to anyone who is curious.

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about our history.

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And that insight, guys, thank you so much for joining me tonight. Have a lovely evening.

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stay spooky and

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keep thinking about those our that haunt you.

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Have a great night, everyone.

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