Hello, everybody.

Happy, Monday.

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evening

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depending on where you are.

My name is Megan z.

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So today, we are super said. So not only is this my first

episode ever.

I've been on this idea for very long time, but we also are joined today

we're here officially on Fireside,

and we're looking forward to our first conversation with stuff. You may get to.

Who is a health care communications public religious professional

flare of science and misinformation,

public health and politics,

as just all around a really amazing and open minded human.

Welcome, to Stephanie. How are you?

Megan, How are you doing? Thank you so much for having me.

Absolutely. I I'm excited.

Nervous. I think about up. Nervous.

But it as we were joking about before, I love talking to people. So I guess it's that's on my natural thing. So

So thank you so so much for joining us today.

So

she get took a very quick veteran and I don't wanna steal any of your thunder stephanie.

This ...this podcast ...you know, I've have been very, very fortunate, very privileged to have the ability to travel.

I

it's been a huge part of my life. I started the abroad. I I travel with my family, and so it just got me thinking, you know, with all of the things that happening in the world today.

Using it a little bit more as a tool. And just, you know, understanding that it can create different perspective and and empathy, And I thought who better to kick this series off with and somebody who

has such

profound ideas and, you know, every conversation that we have ever had. I've enjoyed thoroughly

And, you know, you were ...you've worked with divisive content

before. And so I just wanted to have this discussion with you.

And and really looking forward to it. So I guess without further ado, would she tell us just a little bit about yourself your background?

Your journey tour you are now.

I would be happy to. And actually, I'm in full disclosure. I'm going to be probably a really funny guest for you because when it comes ahead to travels.

I have never traveled

outside of the United States.

Oh, wow. My drop right. Okay..

Well, okay. So I said that's okay. I feel really bad now because no. No That is here you're truth. Right? You're i'm ...because I'm also ...but I'm also really passionate

about

the subject of trouble.

And so as much as I look forward to a day, when I'm not working literally all the time or I can't start traveling,

I love the subject, and I think it's I am really looking forward to this

conversation. So

a little bit

about my background. I was really fortunate to be raised and a family that was

deeply involved in politics.

My dad

I was still alive today. I'm grateful for ...and doing quite well.

Was

the cheapest staff to a pretty famous

San Francisco County supervisor, George.

When I was an infant, I lived in

Diane,

who is currently in congress and has been

for literally ever. I lived in Diane

Flat.

In San Francisco, while my dad was working on Kennedy's

nineteen sixty eight presidential race.

And by father, I'll in for congress, so I grew up in a pretty political family.

So while I didn't travel, it was largely because my family was always doing something in politics in California california

or in Washington Dc, and we just ...we really couldn't. It was.

Everybody was working all the time.

So I guess I got the working bug.

And so I was one of the first kids at my high school to

cut a deal with my principal to leave campus early to go intern in the state capital.

That was another host story.

And because of my father's relationships in politics,

I worked for a very powerful

man who reminds me still to the day of James Earl Jones. He had this

strong

booming voice that would scare you to death, but he was so respected, and he was such a kind man. And so that was kinda of my first

For, I did political campaigns in California

on the local state and federal level.

A couple of statewide wide races,

I've done advance for a gentleman who was running for Governor. I've done advance for two former presidents.

So lots of politics.

And then

I was also in a band, a local band in California.

We played at all the local clubs. We were very much an eighties pot band.

And part of us that was original, so we did some song writing too.

I did visual display for a company that was from Southern California That was called Wet seal. It was originally a bathing suit store.

Then do you know what?

Oh my god. I have, like, one you clothing from What's the field that I won't give up, but I can't. I mean, they're out of business snapchat

how.

They are so ...because name their district visual merchandise.

No. I did not have any background and visual

display whatsoever.

But when they first came to Northern California, they had the most amazing displays, and I ...honestly, I'm not kidding. I walked up and I said

if you will let me do this for free for an entire day. And, you know, nowadays the workers comp, You would never be able to do that, but, happily, our laws weren't by such happen,

and they let me

And I wound up being their youngest with zero experience,

visual merchandise, and I had six doors Throughout Northern California that I traveled to,

and i was so fun. I loved that.

And so fast forwarding back in the politics,

I ran the ...I was with one gentleman for fifteen years.

Took him from Sacramento County supervisor to the state assembly,

did his race for state senate.

Ultimately, they're not not successful in that race, but I was with him for fifteen years as a policy consultant.

And media consultant and campaign director and chief staff

and

then raised my family, my kids,

and

and then fast forwarding again, got into

public policy consulting and still some political consulting. I think, you know, from

a couple of

rooms we've been in, you know, that I was involved in the Lincoln project and

got very involved in health care communications.

And I'm giving you just highlights. I feel like I've lived a lot of lives in my

like, fifty three years so far. So that's a little bit about my background.

Wow. I I'm so fast. I that's why I I just love us and I I don't know why maybe I was nervous and Jitter, because I just find it so fascinating to talk to people. I'm thank you so much for that instruction.

Well, I cannot wait to get into this. I wanna welcome everybody to the room. You are joining wider worldview. This is the debut episode with Stephanie Mccann. Johnson.

So thank you all for joining us. If anybody has any questions

or, you know, wants to hop up on stage and just kind of chime in, I would love

welcome you to do that. You can also

ask a question with the chat. You can just tap on the react button down at the corner. Pick an emoji, and then you'll get a prompt to type a message

and, you know, just as the quick reminder for everyone.

But, ...yeah,

it's Stephanie. So I know,

you know,

you know, what the thing about, you say, well, I I have never traveled out to the Us, but that doesn't mean you haven't traveled because

you have been to somewhere outside of your known.

Right? So you have your your known space, but not necessarily.

You you weren't always there. So so I guess, can you tell us a little bit about

from the travel perspective or just outside your known?

What with the first major, like, outside your known, and how did it change your perspective?

Absolutely.

So

by the way, this is another fun fact because this actually does count. My father

always wanted voice, and he was he's very honest with us about that. But never made us feel bad about being girls. I have a sister.

But he would always, you know, if we got really feminine or really girly, some girl common He would say oh, where are my sons, and we all left at it. And and my sister I never felt like he didn't love us or felt bad about it. He he would always do it in ingest, but

he decided when we were very young, but he was going to take this backpack on a regular basis, and I didn't say camping, and I will not tell you there was a campsite because there wasn't and any campsite we were at there were no showers. There were no public facilities. I mean, we

packed up our backpacks,

and he would say, okay, like, make sure you have enough food and you know, we're gonna have water here, but you're also gonna need this,

and we would be out literally in the wilderness,

And we would pitch a tent. We have to do that, and then he would you know, make a fire. I'm not kidding. Like, this is a thing, and we did it many times a year growing night.

And

he knew how to call cows.

I'm not kidding you. Like wow. This boyfriend

Ohio. Do you know how i I do

I do. I might break the room of i. If I do it, though, but I'm not kidding. He.

We were really little, and he's like, watch this. We were a place called Con Cow camp. I can't make this up. But and he's like, hey, do you sell the cows over there? And some were the bulls, You know, with the horns and everything like, yeah. Dad like, I'm gonna call them over here. I and I were going

I be cool if you didn't. Actually, I think we're good from where we're sitting. He's like, no. We're gonna we're gonna call cows. So he

listen us up on top of this really big boulder,

and he started to call these

cows, and, by the way, it worked.

So pretty soon we have, and they're not running, like, they're not charging us, but they're definitely running.

And I kinda looked to my sister who's two years younger and I said, I think that this is another moment where this is probably not a good plan. And also, we can't tell mom.

I just remember that. Before I said, like, my mom will kill him.

So we're pretty soon surrounded by cows, and there's a couple bowls of horns and my father is standing there, and I look down at him. I was so little, but I remember looking down and saying, so now what's the plan? How do you un recall them?

Like, do you throw something and be like, hey, fetch. How do we ...and we had sit ...we had to sit on these rocks and wait

for them to get bored. I'll never forget that. So that was that. But here's the deal.

And here's why I'm really glad he did it. Number one, my sister I learned at a very young age, That we had the ability to survive a lot of

really crazy situations

that we probably should've have met definitely never been in. Not pretty sure. We definitely should have never been. I mean, super dangerous. Like, being up in the theaters when there was snow, and then maybe there was a little bit of sun. And so the snow top would melt a little bit, but then it would get cold and it would freeze.

And we're traversing these mountains literally Megan, that are kinda steep, and we don't have

you know, where you sold kid hiking books. Like, we don't have, you know, spikes. You know how there's ...you had. You can get these

hiking boots that have spikes for same things such as, you know, what we were doing. So we're slipping. And we've got our backpacks on,

and I'm looking my dad, like,

what ...honestly, like, are you trying to kill us or like, is this some survival? It was so scary.

We did it. We survived.

But here's what I learned early on, and I'm kinda grateful for it.

It really did feel like traveling outside of the whole planet.

Because when you're out in

the trees and the birds and

nature really does present a a really different view, and it kids you a really different perspective

of the world. It's that j position of, you know, and, honestly, it ...I'm fifty three. So I

we didn't have a lot of technology. Right? I had a television that had three channels. And i mean, we didn't have computers or cell phones or any of that.

But even then, the justice of kind of day to day life

and sort of what we set up as a society as humans and getting out into,

truly the wilderness in some of the most beautiful parts of

of the Theater desert,

some of it was desert and some of it was not desert, but

I don't know if you know but California,

but nevada. And so you can actually hike where you're hiking between California and nevada. So ...Yeah. You can get these sort of desert areas as well. So ...oh, yeah. Wait ...to his credit, we hike in some of the most beautiful areas,

and and we survived all of it, which is also

a complete miracle and one

one growing at moment

was

we were on this one hike, and it was very hot. I mean, it was really hot. And my sister needed to take a break. She was actually getting dehydrated.

So my dad pulled out

one of his here cups, and he's like, hey, here's you know, here's some water. Well, whoops it wasn't.

Water. It was Vodka.

My sister was

five six.

So she starts slug this back, and then as you can found, screaming

screaming crying,

and then he was like, oh, well that's just so sorry. So he lost it and I'm shaking my head like, come on dad. So

we have a lot of stories to tell, but the ...but but the reality of the situation is it does change you, and there's this amazing magic that happens

when you do this frequently.

And it's weird so when the world release shows up and things just feels so

common society. You can always say,

add this feel so silly

and having that perspective of being able to take a modern day problem and say this feels so silly.

Because two hours away from here,

you can see wildlife and it's quiet. You can't hear any cars,

and it does. And it does grow you up. I mean,

it really does it changes your perspective. So

that was the first. That was kinda of my ...Whoops.

Am I still here? Sorry. My phone rang. So sorry.

I I no. That's that's way. That was it, and then I have some other travel stories, but I think as just from a growing at perspective, that was definitely

my

my first really big shift as a kid in terms of perspective on the world. And really

did change me. I was different. My sister and I were different than kids are.

There's no question.

Absolutely.

I ...you know, I have ...I have so many things to say, Lily was asking, where we're in Ohio. North are North Baltimore.

It's his low tiny town North Baltimore, Ohio.

Pretty nice. I I have Family and Akron, and I did not know. And I actually family in southern

in Anna as well. And I didn't know it was so varied in in

typography. So it ...it's really beautiful, but that's kind of that whole idea of just different perspectives, traveling your own backyard.

I do not believe. I mean, you know, I was like a nature kid, but I was a nature kid of the suburb. So that's a little little bit different. So wanted it to be can on.

But that was not gonna be saying.

But it it just makes me think so, you know, in in many of our conversations one that comes to my mind specifically. And again, if you're just joining us welcome. Thank you so much for being here. If you have any questions,

feel free to hop up ask Stephanie about how, you know, her different perspectives from her experiences

growing up and seen in different places,

like camping with her family,

How that kind of changes her world Do you feel free? You can all use the chat to type questions.

But thinking about our our previous

discussions, like, for example, with Peter Trivia and nothing about the idea of ...and,

you know, without going too much into the detail, we we really talked a lot and and what really resonated with me was this idea that, you know, people

kind of fear, but they don't know and

operating from this really primal

sense of of fear

because people rather than admitting that they're wrong

are are rather going to just kinda get on the defense. And so that can turn into violence that can turn into international behavior.

And, you know, thinking about you being such a a little kid and definitely having the fear the unknown because, you know, you'd had never been out in the wilderness probably

or

And I just think that's so fascinating. So with your experience and and and seeing all these different

wonderful and and different classes, of humans.

Tell us little bit about your thoughts

about ...do

you think it's possible

to lean on travel as the way to overcome that or even just simple

version of, I guess, getting outside of your known. Right? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Backpack

more free. ...I mean, I already was not really wanting to do it, but with the frequency that we did,

honestly, it made me fearless.

It's just made me fearless.

You know, when you're out in the wilderness, you have plenty of moments where you are ...you're scared.

I mean, we had wild animals

that would, you know, my dad was a very, very experienced backpack. And so there were only a couple times that things got a little

well, a lot Harry.

But it made me ...so kinda into. That's right. That's right. Right. But it it actually made me fearless. I really didn't think that there was anything that I couldn't do.

And that applied to every facet

of my life.

And

the the blessing

in the gift

and I like the word you use the privilege of of being able to travel. Right? Because travel can be

inexpensive. I mean, the cost associated with my dad taking us back packing was, of course, he had to buy his backpacks and boots, and

we ate a lot of freeze dried food.

But, you know, you put water in it and then it would suddenly turn into, you know, putting or something and you're like, wow,

guess This is what I'm eating.

But

we we get so

sheltered by staying in the four walls

or the four corners or the four miles.

Of where we live.

And unless you experience it, you know, I live in an area where

I would say there's a lot of privilege

I'm kinda looking forward to getting out of that area. I wanna go back down him, but but there's so much privilege and I see parents get

I mean, in public angry, with their children, like,

you're un grateful

while the child has an iphone in ipad,

on Switch.

And I'm like,

you can't

teach

grateful.

You can't teach

a wider

worldview.

It's something you have to experience,

and it's phenomenal if you're present for it. There a maturity

there's a majority that develops.

And it's interesting, I think, you know, the good news about my dad taking us back cracking is there was no luxury in that ...I mean, we might have had nice boots, but that didn't feel like luxury to me.

And I think if you travel

with children or if you're the one paying for the trip, however you wanna define that,

and all you ever see is privilege. Like, if you're staying in a nice hotel and you only eat it restaurants and you never get out into

that

area, like, where the people who live there and where they eat

and what they experience and where they dance and where they ...I

think you miss such a significant part

of the travel experience. And

when you ...when children see other children in poverty if they've never seen that before, when children see

people who ...otherwise,

maybe based on their experience are living much simpler lives,

and maybe even happier

in travel is

experiential. You have to experience it

yourself, and the hope the hope that I would have

is that travel becomes something where we sort of help people redefine that, even if you've never left the United States or even if you've never left your own state,

there's so much you can do to explore in different areas in different regions in your own state. That will offer you a really different experience than what you have in your own backyard.

And I think it's how we ...it's the birthplace

of empathy.

It can be the birthplace

of seeing things

in a very different way and finding beauty

in very simple things. And almost having, like, an internal

compass

reset about what's

really important. I think this pandemic offered us I guess, an unwelcome, but, ultimately, the positive side is it offered us an ability, I think, look at things differently

and go back to appreciating some very small things. But

travel and food and the people in the area they're so

it can only change you if you're present for it.

I think

that wow.

I

I don't think you could've have said it better. You know, the the pandemic and and really

color curiosity, which is kind of the the platform that I'm using to

wider world you podcast. And

it made me really stop and think, and I'm gonna be the first to. I am not proud of it, but I have come from a place, first of all, you know, extremely privileged to be able to travel. I grew up very lucky.

But secondly, I definitely

was checking things off my bucket list. Right? Like, I like, oh, the landmark. Oh, the the photo app. Oh, and being to photographer for, I mean, it's really tough to show. Yeah. It was ...it is tough because, you know,

I I have to really spend my time wisely because also, I ...I'm juggling, you know,

time like P because I have a a a job. I don't necessarily travel all the time.

And it really just made me think like when it was taken away.

I was like, man, when I can finally go on that first trip, where is it gonna be? And it better be freaking meaningful because that's they're not to see one of those, you know, just because I gotta get there and and get all those, like, you know, checklist. And I think you couldn't have said it better. I think,

travel gonna have to change because

it we've just really been

deprived. I think, of human connection and

this idea of seeing others

and seeing them in different places that you never ...you know, you you haven't experienced at yourself. And as I was thinking about our upcoming conversation

before I was kind of thinking of this, i I believe, Gave To and and Lynn, certainly I see in in the audience. And Lynn has talked about this with travel with regard to travel as well. And kind of this ...in

this phrase came up a blur of other.

Right? Like fit the other

this this idea that if people are foreign to you or which can create fear. Right? And and and maybe even a sense of maybe sip supremacy. Right? Like, I feel like that's such a naughty word.

But, well, this ...yeah. I mean, I ...it it it's honest. And the irony is I wish travel did not necessarily

have to include privilege. I think that we would all be

a lot more woke.

Yeah. And it goes back yeah. The parents who were sc their privileged kids

to be grateful.

What does that mean?

A state of grateful typically means that you've either been through something

really hard

or you seeing other people go through something really hard?

And you just supposed your blessings and your gifts with someone who doesn't have any

and that is the birthplace of grateful. And so travel can offer you

that and travel can grow you up. I mean,

I wish more people had

that opportunity. And, you know, Megan, it's interesting with your ...with your background and travel and also photography.

I think we had been ...to we talked one time about

the last year and these moments during the pandemic, these these moments during the black lives matters protests, and some of the things, the most incredible things that have happened

over this last year.

And to me, the gift of a phenomenal photographer who's really present

some of the best photographers in terms of the works that I've seen

are people who are fully present,

for the moment that they are capturing,

whether it's pain,

whether it's joy,

whether it's ecstasy,

whether it's magic,

the best

photography pieces I'm seen have been based on a come from a photographer who is so present.

That they just capture

kind of that moment. I know there's some photographers, even some

neighborhood photographers who caught moments during

the black lives matters protests, i'm certainly during the interaction as well.

But even Covid patients and health care workers, and I mean, we've seen some powerful powerful

pictures that are stories from those events. And I think

That's why I just encourage you to continue to blend your passion for travel and photography. I think,

for people who may never have an opportunity to travel even if it's out fight over with their own neighborhood.

I mean, it could be somebody who is

disabled or could be somebody who is stuck at home I mean, who knows there's a variety of reasons why people can't do it. I mean, getting in your car and driving somewhere to travel, also cost money.

Mean there's a lot of people that can't even do that right now. So

I think part of the gift of someone who is traveling and someone who does take pictures as you can tell stories through those pictures that somebody can access

from their living room.

And so I think there's kind of a magic in that. And if I had known that when, I was a little kid, although, I wouldn't have the patience for it.

I think so I wish some of those pictures. I have the pictures in my mind, but I don't have the picture to hold on to and show other people. But

I think I'm just hoping that we can look at travel is almost like a

like, part of how you grow up. You know, you take classes. I mean, we do field trips for kids. Right? And that matters. But but now times, that's how hard of sound, by the way, of

part of the idea field trips. Right? Is that you get out of your four walls or out of your

and you go see something else. You see different people. You talk to different people.

So

I love the premise of a wider worldview view because,

hopefully, that does happen when you travel..

And, oh my gosh. I have so many thoughts because I'm like, why ...you know, how do we make this accessible for everybody?

And and that's one thing that I'd like to tackle

is this.

Thank you so much. What what El thoughts. Darren, welcome. Thank you so much for happening up here.

I am I'm so excited. Did I ...did I pronounce that right? I'm going to just start doing that, you know, right off the bat.

Sure. You you said it great. Thank you.

Okay. Good.

Well, thank you so much for having up here. Do you have a question or a comment I No. I.

I I was listening to your conversation. High, Stephanie. Hi, Darren.

I listening your conversation. I just ...sitting you're realizing that

you know, I lived in

in five different cities throughout my

life, and

oftentimes, I tell people

they would

who you if you get an opportunity to to live somewhere else and

and take in

that say culture and, you know, a lot of people that go to college, of course, that experience, but I lived in other places outside of College that lived in Detroit, and I've lived in Minneapolis. I've lived in

Los Angeles, which was another planet.

And but in all those places,

I

I learned something. I I I was able to

take something with me that

may have impacted my belief system.

That changed it change I felt about a subject or something like that and

and that's through traveling, And then, of course, having a the opportunity to go over seas and

and different places like that to

check out culture of people in in London or in France. And

and you also find out that as

different as we are, we also

still

want the same things that we still want to be love. We wanna be respected. We want to be,

you know, we wanna feel safe

and you find that that humanity is is as as much as we have cultural issues and differences

that when you cut down to the brass tax,

We have way more,

I guess, in common than we have as far as differences are concerned. So I just wanted to add that

that layer to the conversation and

I'll set up now.

Please don't shut out. That was ...I absolutely. I I love what you said. I think

I I have to ask

from from one thing that stands out in your mind, Darren, if if you have a moment,

you know, talking about going elsewhere and

is one ...does

one experience, particularly stand out in your mind that you kind of held on to or you learned the being or never different perspective.

Well,

I graduated

high school at sixteen, and

three months later, I was

seventeen and thrust into

the south as I went to college, and then my encounter in the south was

was very different

because it was the first time that I

encountered over racism.

And

that was an eye opening thing because where I came from

all the black people were like

in this box,

we were all kind of in one place, and so I never

Got a chance to experience racism

up front where someone lets you know

that they don't like you because of who you are and what you look like.

So that was ...that was very chilling to me, and I was, you know, just, again, just turning seventeen,

I had never ever felt that

that and it was it was very ...it was very frightening

for me.

Because I would have been sealed from that due to

where I where I live because it was just all ...it was just asked.

So that was something that that sticks out of my mind when I think about all the places that I've lived, and then I think about Minneapolis when I lived in Minneapolis, and that was the first time I dated somebody outside of my race, and this town was nuts and I'm like, wow, you know, black people hanging out with white people, you know, having good time, dating one another having children, and I'm like, oh, this is another planet.

So that's what six out

to me about living in Minneapolis, how progressive it was and how

it it came gave me a whole different level of consciousness when it comes down to how people should

get along

when we allow ourselves to, I guess,

be vulnerable like that.

Wow.

That is so powerful. Thank you so much for sharing that. And, you know, with me, I guess, this speaks volumes to, like, my, you know, unique privilege perspective where I ...you know, I'm thinking, oh, wow. Travel is amazing, and everything's always amazing, but, no. There's absolutely some

some

very chilling like you said experiences is that is it king come out of it, but I think

the other thing that you said of

a different ...consciousness

is so powerful, and and I can't put it Any mean, better way. I think that's, you know, you you reach a different like a frequency of thinking that you didn't have access to you before.

So thank you so much for sharing that. That was That was

You're very welcome. Thanks for having me on.

Absolutely.

Stephanie, I had seen that you had immunity yourself at at a point, and I didn't know if you wanted to chime it Oh, no. No. No. It's okay. I I I try to make sure that if somebody's talking,

that I put myself back on you. I'm I'm good. I'm good..

Great. Well, thank you. Again, everybody so much Darren. Thank you so much for happening up here and sharing.

I made really just powerful story. And

because a little bit. I really appreciate that. And thank you everybody for tuning in.

For a first episode, I don't think this could have gone any better. No.

Thank you for being here. Stephanie, thank you so much for sharing your story your thoughts.

And for your encouragement, I mean, I just ...ongoing.

And and it it really has ...I

don't think I would be up here. If you were for your maker as Megan, I really, really ...and I'm just gonna say it one more time. I really encourage you not only to press forward with this idea of travel

changing how we travel being more conscious

of how we travel. Right? So sort of, like travel with a ...with

a purpose behind it and I know you're gonna be talking more about that as you do,

more episodes, but I love where you're going with it, and I encourage you to continue to blend

travel and photography. You know, you are the storytellers.

Pictures can speak.

Much louder,

than written words. And so I just. I am encouraging you from the sidelines megan. I think you're spectacular. You've got a great heart. You've got a a passion for taking care of our planet

and all of the people on it. And so I am I am a supporter of yours

cheering you on in the corner and anything that I can do to support these efforts Megan count count me on your team.

Wow.

Well, I guys gonna ...weird

at that. If anybody else has any questions, I'm gonna just keep it open for a minute more.

But thank you again, so much for joining. Again, if you if you'd like to request to speak, you can hop up on stage.

But Stephanie, I loved hearing about your background, and I ...you

have went up on me. I have not, like, really legitimately backpack. Or can't.

I read wild by Cheryl Strain, and it was kind of like a funny happen stands because it was just sitting in, like, staring at me on the night and I like,

okay. All read. Okay.

Let me put it this right. It makes me laugh. When I am back in the day, you know, prior to Covid,

you know, and you go to convention centers or whatever. And even the sorry, everybody, we have to be honest, like, I hear women in the restroom be like, oh, this isn't clean. And I'm like,

sister.

You ain't see you went.

So it does it happens you up too. You know, it it definitely tough you up. So

anyway. And I ...and it just does someone who has been spending this time with Megan thank all of you in the audience as well for participating in this conversation. I hope I didn't put you the sleep here. But we but we had a ...we had a great discussion and Megan, thank you so much for having me.

Absolutely. Yeah.. Thank you. I am gonna wrap it up now just to be respectful time. But this has been just such a blast And I cannot wait for the next one, and and to see where these conversations go. So, again, My name is Megan Thank I am here with white worldview, which is a new podcast that explores

entrepreneurs and educators and explorers and how

there's a power to to change the world with travel into perspectives, build empathy,

and you travel as an experiential learning tool, and we had Stephanie began, dancing and up here today speaking.

Thank you all again so much for tuning in, and I'll see you next time then.

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