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Hello, Megan.

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Hi,

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Hi, Megan how's. How's the sound here that Okay.

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Yes. You sound fabulous. How about myself? Good. Yeah.

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Let me good.

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How are you? Happy. That's a beautiful day in Hawaii.

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It's not too bad in Chicago, but we certainly don't have

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Hi weather.

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Well, so easy just to run you through the real quick before the room of fish starts Hi on. So great to see you here. We're really excited to get started.

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We'll be studying officially at six thirty.

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When the the little hamburger down in the bottom left corner.

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When you tap that,

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you should get ...it says broadcast to the world with the little

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world of world. I I kinda

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Could ...could you start over with that explanation?

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Please.

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Yeah. Got my headphones together here.

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No worries. So the bottom left corner, there's, like, a little two line

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I call a hamburger. Right. You click on it.

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And then the cookie, share with followers.

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It's kinda of it's how you broadcast it out to

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everybody on Fireside.

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Oh, so then

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Just

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select all.

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There will be invites that will go out, and I will probably do that periodically through as. Well. And then if you want to share it with

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outside of Fireside, you can hit the world button,

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and it will be

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it'll say broadcast of the world.

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Okay. And then that way, you can share it outside of Fireside.

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Well, we'll just ...I'll just keep this in the family for now. So

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Okay.

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Absolutely. Well,

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I'm so excited to have this discussion

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I lost you. Much black fortune.

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Oh,

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Joy,. Yep.

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But you're the only one left in the room did John leave there looks like. Yeah.

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Okay.

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No. He's I think you here. Okay.

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Okay. Okay. I I've got ...I've got everything working now, I guess. So

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Good. Okay. Great.

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Awesome.

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Well,

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I'm gonna it and we'll get started.

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Okay.

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I know

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I I got your email with your bullet points on it. So I've I'm gonna time to give that some thought. So ...Well,

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thank you, everybody.

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Thank you so much for joining us. Today,

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My name is Megan. You're listening to wider Worldview you, a podcast exploring the power of travel,

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how it can change the world through spray new ideas, fostering different perspectives.

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And acting as a catalyst for perpetual curiosity and like on marketing.

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If you join in, you'll be hearing conversations

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And we hope that you get invited to tap into travel as an empath empathetic and experiential learning tool.

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I'm very,

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very excited. To be here today with fellow Fireside or lint school,

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a self taught novelist, an fiction author,

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outdoors, wildlife guide, and photographer,

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who has won the Alaska magazines grand prize for wildlife photography

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not once butt twice,

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I'm not going to feel any more of your thunder. So

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would you just give us a little bit of a background and an intro

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on yourself?

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Well,

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the ...as you mentioned,

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I spend most of my time in the alaska where I'm a wilderness guide, and I've specialized in working with

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professional photographers and documentary film crews for most of the last thirty years

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and doing adventure travel around the world.

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I'm also a writer as you mentioned. I've

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been published in twelve languages.

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I've got two auto bio.

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Books out one novel and a history piece, and all of them have

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been introduced to what they call literary claim. If not great financial says.

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I've I've won

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several literary awards in Europe and the Us in Canada.

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But for our purposes, mostly, I'm kind of the travel bomb. You for the purposes of this

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this chat,

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And, yeah. That's that's about as much brag as I need to do right now.

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Please, I didn't listen to wax poetic about all of your experiences and everything all day long. So I'm really looking forward to getting to know a little bit more about you know I ...I'm so fascinated by

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your background, and I really have to say ...thanks susan best because I believe, she kind of how we sort of met each other.

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And and we had actually started talking about this

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idea of traveling outside of your known

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when we first were kind of equate. And so that's kind of I wanted to start.

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Your first major travel outside of your quote unquote

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known.

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Where was it? How did i change your perspective??

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Well,

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I I gave that question some thought, and I have to say that the The first travel I ever did that changed my life

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was actually in my childhood.

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When I was about eight or maybe nine years old, I was I was born in West Texas in And grew up outside of Odessa, which is the Permian Basin, and that's that's real no country for old men turning.

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You know, there an oil refinery

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about a quarter of a mile outside my window that flared off gas all night.

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It was not a very. I knew when I was very young that I didn't wanna live there.

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And when we are maybe

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eight or nine years old, my family went for a vacation to the Gulf of Mexico

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Island,

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and Port Francis.

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Which in the sixties was quite a journey.

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And I have a very clear memory.

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I don't remember much of my childhood, but I have a crystal clear memory.

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Of being in puerto Randy and walking out on the docs

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and finding the boats and everything just fascinating. It was a little fishing port the time.

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And it was my first

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first experience we'll see in the ocean,

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and I have a just a clear visual picture of being up on the dock and looking down onto a shrimp that had just pulled in

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and they opened their hole,

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and it was just brim with these

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shrimp. You know.

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And to my young mind, that was just the neat thing in the world, and I knew

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I knew for a fact right at that moment that I was gonna go to see

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when I got older.

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That I was gonna get on both and go on the ocean

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and that there was a lot more out there in the world than West Texas.

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And then it then, again,

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when I was fourteen

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and still living out in the countryside

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between

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Oh, yes. Lava.

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Not too far from that oil refinery.

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My dad came home one day and said I'm gonna move to Alaska Do you wanna go?

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And I didn't know anything about Alaska, but I just looked around what I was living in and said, let's go.

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I'm not that January,

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we drove three thousand eight hundred miles

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in an old truck

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to Alaska. In the middle of winter,

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up the Can Highway when it was just a gravel in mud road, you know, a thousand miles of frozen mud and you went in the winter because quite often, the road wouldn't be passable in the Rainy parts of the summer.

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So I went from West Texas to Alaska.

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In one long journey of nearly four thousand miles when I was fourteen years old,

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and that absolutely

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set me on a different pattern,

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you know?

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I hope that answers that question.

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Oh, it does. Wow. I

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so first of all, how is the the temperature that's your shock was it? I mean, I know that I'll alaska get summer, You know? But

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how is that?

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Well, in January,

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you know, we from Texas. And when we started getting ready to go to Alaska,

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we went to the army Navy surplus store, and we bought some

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surplus korean award gear,

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You know, those horrible chicken feather,

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sleeping and bags that smelled like the army and, you you know, these these flannel filled coats and things that were just completely inadequate to the task.

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Before we were too far up into the, we had a a coleman and propane eater burning on the floor of the truck between us

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with space blankets it's clustered to the cabin size to try to keep warm.

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And

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the coldest temperature we saw in the way was sixty four below in Tokyo Phil after we crossed the border,

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And it was ...it was so cold that

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we spent we ...in those days, you stayed in lodge along the ways. They were spaced

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about a days travel apart of the Highway and into Alaska.

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And we stayed at a lodge called the Fireside in,

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oddly enough.

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And when we got up in the morning, we had a flat tire, but it had frozen flat.

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And I was just

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I was so intrigued by the way

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the fellow that owned the law, the lodge helped us change that tire by firing up a welding torch.

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And heating up the rear wheel enough to where we could get the lug nuts off.

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And, again, it's like I knew I was in a different world then the things were gonna change a lot.

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And it was it was an adventure, you know, was a huge adventure

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for for the whole family.

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Well, say, I I am so ...I can't even ...I mean Alaska just seems like a world away to me. And, by the way, thank you so much, everybody for tuning. In today, we are here with ones slur who,

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among many accolades is the author of Photographer for a wildlife guide, and he is going to be talking to us today about conscious travel.

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And so a you know, if you have a question, absolutely feel free to have up here on stage,

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ask

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act the way, where we're he's an open book No pun intended.

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You're not.

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I love fun if you can't tell.

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But

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when specifically,

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you know, with your amazing background

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and specifically with photography.

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I know that you have worked as a wildlife guide. You worked ...you

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had a a boat

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speaking of your you know, that first moment where you ...it

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just had this really

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experience of of seeing that knowing you're gonna go and see it spoiler, let ...you you so did and

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guiding other people to experience

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the wilderness in your way. And so I want to talk a little bit about others where the pandemic has change the pace of life for a lot of people. So maybe we're more accustomed to moving freely and quickly stressed world.

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A lot of us have started realizing, maybe we should be more conscious

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in travel and, you know, in travel being conscious and conscious traveling might equate maybe to spending a little bit more time in a place.

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But do you have any advice for, you know, seeing with different sense or experiencing a place with different senses

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and doing it so that you're more immersed in the culture.

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I have

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techniques

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I use to try to stay a little more aware when I'm in new country.

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Or maybe you see in more detail

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that are an outgrowth of my work and photography.

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Wildlife life photography

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takes

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the primary

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strength, any good photographer I've ever worked with has had is

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extraordinary patience

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and the ability to just sit and watch and wait for things to happen.

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So when I'm traveling,

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if I'm if I'm gonna be somewhere long enough, and I try not to travel fast at all. I I don't actually like traveling. I like being somewhere.

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You know, every airport is the same. You know, every tourist area is the same. But if you can go stay somewhere

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and watch,

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you'll you'll actually

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get something personal out. I

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But what I do

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is ...and this sounds counterintuitive intuitive coming from a photographer, but one way

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I

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feel like I get more out of

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new experiences

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is actually by limiting how many photos I take.

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I might say, I'm only gonna take three photos today,

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and so you wind up really looking at everything.

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If you only have so much ammo don't waste your shots.

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So you have to be watching closer

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and looking for the details

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to be sure that you're gonna get your best three shots of the day.

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And you kinda have to do that all day long.

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You know, if you're in

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Paris,

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And you're only gonna let yourself take one or two or five photos all day.

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You sure don't wanna take all four of them in the morning.

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But you're looking all that you're you're watching more intently

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so that you don't let the photo of the day get by.

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Does that make sense?

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Absolutely. And something i

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so much issue with. Oh my gosh. When if you only knew how many photos I take and any give day,

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So this.

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I told I I. I I I know to be photographers to be surprised

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yeah ...Yeah.

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I I ...it's not unusual when I'm guiding professionals for to take three or four thousand shots in a day, but

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what what I yeah what I do when I travel is entirely different.

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Sure, sir. But ...when you ...when you sort of guide them, and, you know, I know

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in our conversation with Susan, you were talking about listening

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and you think listening as a skill as well. And I wonder if you could maybe elaborate on some tips that you give

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to your photographers as they're sort of

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coming with you to to learn about a place.

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Well, it's

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not so much

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just photographers, but everybody that I I take out.

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You know, I've been guiding for thirty years, and I've been

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amateurs serious natural my whole lies.

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And I learned finally after think I knew what I was doing that I don't really know very much at all.

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There's always something new

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to see,

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but you have to be looking to see it.

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And it's the same with listening.

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Most people I've found when they're going for a hike,

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I I divide

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hikers into two classes. There's people who go for a hike for a workout, and they usually talk the whole way.

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And when you're talking, you're not listening.

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And people like photographers

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who are focused solely on

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grabbing as many images as they can.

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And so it's ...one

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technique I've used is to take everybody's cameras and binoculars and everything away from them.

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And just leave them in the woods for a half hour. Just tell somebody to just sit here,

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and I'm gonna go up ahead and scout around, but I want you to just sit here and listen and in loop.

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And I take away their cameras so they can't take photos and not take away their bin binoculars, so they're not bird watching.

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And basically, just take away all of their powers except for looking and listening

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and make them stay in one place by themselves. In the forest or on a stream bed or on the beach,

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and you'd be surprised

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the percentage of people that I've done that with

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who had really profound experiences.

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Without with their familiar distractions and toys and tools taken away from them.

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Most Americans have never simply sat and listened and watched

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for a half hour or an hour.

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And if you do that for just a short period,

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in a virgin forest or on a a productive stream or something,

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you'll probably see things that you've never seen before.

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And it's usually little things. You know, it's the the shoe that comes out and jumps in the river and swims across it.

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When you're you think you're looking for grizzly bears.

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First the birds to get so used to you, Being it that they actually come start feeding around you.

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A Japanese photographer, and I once had an experience

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where we simply sat out in a meadow on a salmon

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for most of the morning without taking any pictures or anything.

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And a black sal with two cubs

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came out of the woods across the the way. And came wandering along, and she realized we were there,

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and we were just being still in quiet and not trying to hide.

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And she got comfortable with us over the course of the morning.

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And at the in the later part of the morning,

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she actually walked up

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within about twenty feet of us.

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And when her cubs laid down and went to sleep,

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she looked at us and then walked off.

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And left the cubs.

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And I realized that

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she was actually leaving those cubs in our care.

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Because the greatest threat to bar cubs in the wild is male bears.

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Almost half of the the bar cubs in any given year are killed by male bears.

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But

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we were still in quiet and calm enough long enough for her to get comfortable.

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And she basically just trusted us to be the babysitter and keep those cubs. She knew that the big bore wouldn't come out with a sitting there.

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Because they're subject to hunting pressure.

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But that was my interpretation of it. Was that just because we were still in quiet

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she thought that it was safe to leave those cubs there and would protect them from the doors.

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So

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in any anytime you just sit quietly

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without your camera without the distractions without your phone,

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you know, just

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you're gonna see something that you would not have seen otherwise,

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and you're gonna hear things too, especially the last go and bear country because most people are a little bit afraid of theirs.

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So the first thing they do is start imagining all kinds of

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it's

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yeah.

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But if they'll just sit quietly, then all of the little things that have been hiding from the humans

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start coming out and doing what they do.

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So ...and,

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again, I hope that makes sense to you.

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Oh, absolutely.

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I'm just thinking,

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you know, in ...first

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of all, I I have so many questions.

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I'm just thinking, like, you know, how

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easy is it to ...it's so easy to get distracted.

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By

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technology in the in the frantic pace of the world. And I think you makes such a great point of it's really just the simplest thing It's sitting in listening, maybe,

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you know, taking away your distractions,

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forcefully population.

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But it just ...it opens up your

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perspective so much and and realizing the things that you're missing, Like, how many

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you know, we've been reading about articles saying, oh my gosh. I didn't ...you know, I heard the birds chirping in New New York City for the first time,

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you know, things like that.

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And the the second thing that comes to mind is

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for all these really profound,

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experiences

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in your experience. I mean, you know, you're so well traveled then where have you been

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Was they're just a very profound experience where you were just ...you felt completely

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immersed

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in wherever you were and tell us about it.

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The one that comes to mind

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now

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is the Wo cathedral in Milan Italy.

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I'm I'm not a religious person,

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but

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I was in Milan.

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On a book event on a book tour

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and had some free time and I was wandering around

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just sort of enjoying being in the hub of a city because

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I've I really haven't spent that much time in cities in my life.

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And it'll least such a fascinating place. But I needed a little break

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from all the suburb,

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and

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the gl cathedral was open.

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And I went in and it was quiet and dark and you just had this feeling of of ancient times.

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And there were a few people scattered around in the pew,

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and I just went off out in the middle kind of

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away from everybody and just sat down and it was so glad that I closed my eyes,

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and I didn't go to sleep.

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But I went into some kind of state.

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That was so calm

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and relaxed.

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And, you know, the smell of the instance and once in a while, a little bit of chanting or something. And

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when I next looked at my watch nearly an hour at passed,

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And

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and that really affected me

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you know

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to realize that

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that is something of the experience that

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I think cathedral and temples and shrines and all are meant for.

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To provide that kind of peaceful rest.

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And and to experience it firsthand hand like that accidentally.

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Was very profound for me.

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Oh

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but there have been a lot, but that was the one that came to mind when you asked me that question.

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I mean, I ...you're such a wonderful story,. I I imagine that scene.

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And to be quite honest, it it intimidate me a little bit because I'm just realizing, like,

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I always feel to press for time when I'm exploring a new place, and welcome, to everybody. If you're just joining us for talking, know ones, gl who is an author, a photographer,

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a wildlife guide,

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outdoors,

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about conscious travel and and how you can

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get better it, immerse yourself in a place and made me not just

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speeding through your itinerary.

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If you have any questions, please feel free to take them in the chat. You can just

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you can do that by clicking the react button down in the lower right hand corner,

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and

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you can

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you can simply

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allow you to take next questions so you can feel free to do that.

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So

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when, you know, for some of us, who

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maybe are a little bit ...we

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know we should be better about these things. Right? And I love the fact that you were talking about traveling in a city because I know, you know,

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people like to have different travel experiences. And so maybe not everybody is looking for that nature escape,

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but Is there any small

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tip of like,

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a recommendation? Like, was this something that natural or was this something you kinda had to work on and practice

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to become more

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mindful and and aware of your

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surroundings when you're traveling.

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Well, I think

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awareness is a learned thing.

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Especially

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with the the amount of distractions we have at our fingertips all the time.

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I'll I'll confess that I'm completely addicted to my smartphone now. You know, very rarely leaves my side. I'm I'm unlike everybody Else in America. You know, who's checking emails and send and text and googling this and that and looking at Facebook and

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So

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I I guess I would credit being a guide and a fisherman, a commercial fisherman and

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being in professions where

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being very aware of my surroundings was a matter of safety

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I was ...I was a commercial fisherman in Alaska, you know, I sees fisherman

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in my twenties and thirties.

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And

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I've worked in login camps and on tug boats service and login camps and and

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professions that were pretty risky where you had to be paying a ten.

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And

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I think I just developed the habit over the years,

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particularly

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once I started guiding and I was responsible for other people's safety and lives

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that you really have to be picking up on all the details and and the interchange to

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to be sure you're keeping everybody safe.

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And I think it's become a habit that just sticks with me when I I'm someplace new.

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Whether it's Joe Johannesburg

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or

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Geneva,

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it's not my world.

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I don't fit in there. I don't know what's going on. So I have to try to pay a lot of attention.

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Number one, to try not to

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offend anybody.

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Or depending on where you are, maybe even, you know, just to stay safe, physically,

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some some of the world cities aren't the safest places in the world.

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But, you know, while you're being

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really alert about tech pockets, you'll also be noticing more of everything else to

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So being alert is

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all encompassing. It's not necessarily focused on a single field of the senses around you.

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Sure. I love how you sort of repurpose those

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Cafe skills. I guess that you you ...you know, think that you don't realize that you're picking up

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and and sort of brought them into this

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the space where you can kind pass them along to those that you're guiding or coming along on on tips with you.

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The that's something that I really need to work on. I'm I'm really excited to kind of go out and try

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this and practice it by And maybe give my camera to my husband or

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my.

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Yes so don't go. Don't go completely cold Turkey. You know, Just keep it with insect this and

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getting trouble.

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He get withdrawals. She can get to it fast enough. You know? So you don't get the shakes or anything.

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Yes. Which I will because of how it it's like an append at this point.

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I'm Lily says immersive of experiences

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and

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Yeah. It's just so, you know, I am so passionate about looking at travel in this experiential and immersive learning tool and and how it can kind of

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apply through your entire life and how it builds different perspectives. And I think, you know, it can be a really powerful

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empathetic tool to

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see ways that other people live and and just experience. And and to your point, you know, in for you

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tell me if this kind of resonates, but

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it's kind of like you are a guest in the wilderness. Right? You're you're looking at other

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creatures have taxing. You're kind of having to

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not say, hey, I'm stopping through here. This is my land. Right?

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Is that something that you sort of thought about?

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Yes. I've I learned a long time ago not to be presumption.

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When you're in in wilder places with a lot of wildlife life,

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there's there's a lot of rules that we don't know,

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and you don't wanna break them accidentally.

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So

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it it absolutely

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requires a certain humility.

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Of of understanding that you're the least competent being there.

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You're the one that can't smell anything and can barely see and can't hear very well. And

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you know, don't don't have even the mu

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to survive very well.

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And it's like, when I go to a city,

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I was in Tokyo a few years ago,

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and talk about a humbling experience

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when you can't even read the signs.

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You can't understand the language vision

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if if I go to

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a romance language country, like,

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say, France or Spain,

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I can sort of figure out what the signs mean because they're close enough to English.

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But if you go someplace where they ...where all the writing is in specific,

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or an Asian language like

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Chinese or Japanese,

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and all of a sudden you're you're illiterate

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and you don't ...you can't speak. You're a two year old,

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and that's really humbling.

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To think you're this hyper

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capable person and then all of a sudden, you can barely get fed.

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Yeah.

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So

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I kinda of enjoyed that.

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Yeah. Absolutely. It's ...you know ...I

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...it reminds me of an interview that I actually did when the a Chicago local

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who ...well

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she ...yeah. She founded a company into Chicago college Chicago tour, and that's for people who are just very curious about the city. And

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she got up a point that was like, you know, we're

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so impatient as a culture with other people.

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Called. Yeah.

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And we are like, the only ones who, you know, people love

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trying their English out,

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but they are just completely thrilled if, you know, people with us take this small amount of time to learn a couple words in their language

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And it's just. So it was such a humbling thought. I was like, yeah.

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And I try and practice that. I mean, you know, it's it's it's kind of a respect thing. Right? It's like, we are guests in your country. We understand you have different cultures

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from us.

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And it's not so much like you mark assimilate to us.

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Yeah. I I love that. I think that

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it's such a profound tie to the power of travel

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sort of learning to become empathetic of others.

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And and the epitome, the ugly American is going to

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another country and when you don't speak the language to just speak louder,

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you know,

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like, like, that's gonna get your point across. You know?

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But it

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it is one of my favorite things about traveling is as being the one who doesn't know anything.

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You, it's it's in most of my life, I'm the one that's in charge that's responsible.

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And so when I can go someplace where I don't know anything, and I don't know how to do things, and I get to learn things from other people. It's

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it's really

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refreshing.

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You know, It's a wonderful experience to have a,

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you know, a ten year old Mexican boy

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teach me how to catch a fish

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because I don't know anything. You.

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So things like that are just really rich. Yeah.

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To just go and be the one who doesn't know anything

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because everybody loves sharing what they know.

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Yeah.

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It's ...you know if you can go someplace and

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even if you can't speak the same language,

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you know, to to get

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get yourself invited into the kitchen

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and learn how to make the local bread

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or or what's in that lovely dish you just had you know, people love to show off what they're really good at.

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And that's when you really start connecting with people. Yeah.

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Well, lynn, this has been just such a wonderful and enlightening

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conversation.

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I feel like I actually, you know, I have some really good takeaways. I'm gonna

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be brave and maybe hand over my smartphone and my camera.

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It quietly somewhere.

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I I love it. Is there anything else that you ...you know, before we wrap up today, while worldview view wider worldview view

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with lynch Cooler that you would like to share with our audience.

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No. I'd actually like to hear from somebody in the audience about

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their most surprising travel experience.

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I love that too. Does anybody wanna hop up on stage? If not, You can absolutely use the react button to

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share their most surprising

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your your most surprising trip us.

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For me,

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and and, you know, if if

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give everybody a minute or two if they wanna share or help up on stage and request speak. You can

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you cannot not tapped the double hamburger down in the left corner, and then you'll see that there is a little microphone says in request speed.

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I know that there are some people maybe who

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this a a refresher there.

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But personally,

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Cuba

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was so

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surprising to me. I ...you

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know, I I went I I had the opportunity to go when we were still able to cruise there. And so

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I went with my mom. There's a lot of

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just because of a way that our governments

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our relationships are with the country. I spent a lot of time learning the ins and outs of those

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before we went, and I just wasn't sure what to expect. And honestly, at one point, I was kind of deter

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by all of the red hey been having to, you know, account for

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all my activities and

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but when I got there, it'll all just fell away because

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despite

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all the history that I learned and the circumstances of the people who are

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probably some of the most joyful

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is a word that I recently learned, and I think, you know,

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years them perfectly,

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they just were excited to show you like you were saying, they were just ...oh,

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look at this, you know,

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look at this art or the these dance you know, dancing and music and they're just so

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too joyful. And it's all about just being alive in the moment.

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And it was just

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one of the most life changing experiences that I've had so far.

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Well, I I could imagine that thing there on the streets and, you know, wandering into a discrete dance and

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what that was life for you. So that that's a ...that's a wonderful experience.

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Oh, it was ...it ...there was a parade. There were people i'm still

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this is weird.

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Well, and that's the.

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You you kinda touch on an important point in international travel there that I think everybody comes to pretty quickly that

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people are not governments.

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You know, we we hear

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all this country this way. That's countries this way, the people over here, some other way, don't go there. Don't go there.

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And then when you get there, they're just exactly like your your friends.

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You know they want the same things and and they enjoy the same things, and that quite often entails

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meeting strangers and becoming friends. You.

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That's. Yeah. People ...I didn't. Governments are not people when people are not governments.

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So I I'd love to go to Ron and wander around now. You know,

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you just hear the most wonderful things about people in other countries.

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And then if you read the news, you think it wouldn't be safe to get on a a plane there. You

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a hundred

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percent. And and that was ...I was actually running into all these things of people

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after I had shared that I'd been there and how maybe it was because We're like, wait a minute ...You ...you're allowed to go to Cuba. Thank..

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Yeah.

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And I I would like, well, actually, I kinda thought that too before I really started doing the research and

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digging in, it doesn't you know, not for eating. I think you bring it such a wonderful point that I mean, we probably need a whole podcast to explore, but just that a short little snippets of surface level information that maybe don't tell the whole story and and I think that's so prevalent and what people's perceptions are of other places and others,

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you know, the sense of the other

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Yeah. It's a really great point.

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Well, and that's thank you. And You bet. My pleasure.

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You were gonna say something i'm so sorry I cut you off.

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Oh, it was a fleeting thought.

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And it already flat.

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Well, until next time,

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this has been such a ...like I said, such a pleasure. I loved hearing your story and and

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better audience from some value in this as well.

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You can ask follow in on Fireside

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when I love every time you chime into to everybody's conversations you so many wonderful

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amazing things to share, and I really appreciate your time.

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And everybody here, thank you so much for tuning in the I am Megan,

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and this has been a why white.

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Can I ...I'd

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like to ask one thing of you Megan but before we go. Yes.

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Do you have any travels planned in the near future?

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I have them domestic

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would you ...let's

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see. We exchanged email addresses earlier.

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Would you take one one day and try the limited photography approach

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to your visit

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and send me your favorite of three or four photos from the day.

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Yes. It's gonna take

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extreme self control. It's skin really hard, but I will absolutely do that. I look at this homework.

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And I didn't to do that yet.

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Okay. I great on the curb. So you're cool. Yeah.

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Yeah. I'm all about ongoing

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you know, I'm going learning, give me that homework. I will do it.

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Absolutely. I will ...I will keep in touch. I will send you my ...I love the analogy made the limited ammo, so to speak.

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You know. Nowadays, you know, it's visual. We have unlimited.

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I got

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Well, you you give the reason to check my email now. So I'd appreciate it.

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Well, absolutely. Yeah. I am

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it's gonna be so hard. I mean, I literally have ...you know, I've I have take eighty thousand pictures that

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Okay. Actually, that's like, that's quite a lot. But I mean, I taken, like, eight

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Okay. I have, like, eighty thousand photos. It's all altogether, but I have taken, like, probably ...you know, I think when I went to Peru, I took six thousand

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Yeah.

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I need some ...some

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alternative speak, I guess.

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Yeah. Well, thank you, everybody.

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I know like

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It's a lot. I tell that, and that's just on my camera. It's not even on my phone. My you've worse. It's really bad..

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Yeah. What's amazing they got everybody.

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I I ...yeah. I thank you for prompting me. Lynn it's been wonderful. Thank you, everyone. Have a great evening. We'll text ...we'll check you next

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days at six thirty.

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It's been wider worldview you.

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Did you very really soon have you. Thank you.

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Bye bye. Hi, everybody.,

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