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I am honored to introduce you to my friend and fellow curious colleague art historian,

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Platform is called the series art historian.

And it's focused on sharing the magic of art history and the art market.

With those you want to learn, but maybe don't know where to start. Not only that, but she gives amazing virtual mini lessons and lecture on all kinds of topics like the midi cheese,

Richard.

If we got any burger fans up there and others,

she's worked for prestigious organizations like Kris, and the Metropolitan music art because she currently resides in New York,

and i studied our all over the world.

I'm gonna stop talking now. Welcome to now. How are you?

And ...yes.

There's excited have. Hi, again, Thanks for having me. This is so exciting need episodes. Congratulations. This is fantastic. I am so excited to be here, and I'd love listening in. So it's always kind of like, I I feel like I'm feeling growing right now to be a part of it. I'm like, oh,

good to see.

Yes. I am I cannot wait. I love art history. I have taken our history classes

I thought it would be so cool to kind of join the two. So for our audience, joining us, we are gonna definitely open it up for questions as the ends if anybody wants to ask about the best place is to soak in our history

or questions of the arabic it or anything like that, We will definitely open it up.

But to start us off.

So know, I'm just gonna get right to it. I know this is kind of a loaded question, but

You've been many places

all over the world.

You've seen a lot of art.

What

is your favorite work?

And if that doesn't work, if that's not a question you can answer,

where in general

is your favorite artist?

In our history?

Oh, that is that is a very loaded question.

I think one, it depends on my mood of the day or even the mood of the minute.

Kinda is always it's changing.

I think when end out, there are two pennies old because I'm such a painting scroll. I'm I Am a classic, like, old master's

opinions person.

And I think they're too ...that come to mind one,

my art history nerd always loves

Johan Off is

painting of the tribune and the eu feed.

And for me, this has always been such a piece of art that I love, and I love coming back to time and time again because one, it's actually Queen Charlotte, who many will know from the Burger Tin Series.

She was not awesome in real life, guys, as she was incredible. But she hired it often to go to the Tribune in Florence,

in real Feed and paint sort of, like, an actual, like, snapshot and what everything looked like. So as an art historian it is so rare to truly see

real examples of how paintings were hung. In the original settings or even like, what was in the collection.

And I mean, it's ...it's a about investigation because a lot of these works are actually that you see in it. Are still in the you fancy, and you can go and see today, and it's just ...it's so well done.

If you go into a wikipedia page where I it will when you scroll over the different images in the painting,

it will tell you what they are, which I think is really cool. And I love when technology meets art history like this.

And my other like, ultimate favorite, it actually the piece That got me started into our history,

which is the raft of the Medulla, which sits in the loop. And for me, it was such like a full circle moment when I was studying in Paris, and I was because ...i when lived in the louvre. My classes, I was incredibly privileged. And my classes work in the actual, like, galleries phases

as we talked about the collection,

and it it just heard me is such a rape pain. It's it hits so many of the like, things I love, the lights, the dramatic, ...I mean, the story

and i think for me that's always been a big part of understanding like love for art and the love for art history is the stories of it the the history

that comes along with these pieces.

Sorry. Did a very long winded way to give you just two pieces as far.

I love it. First of all, I just ...the ...they were easy

if it's, I don't even know if i've saying that correctly, but it'll all it's right you, in my heart because I studied a abroad florence

and I love in the louvre

it's just incredible. Did you say? And did you say with the rapture of the Producer or

It's actually the raft of Medulla. And this story behind the rat and.

Is basically ...it's these survivors of the, and it's really tragic story. Actually, it's based on panels.

And so what happens is there's very much a predecessor of the titanic story if you will

And so all those these very low

people Have made it off the speaking ship, and, of course, the lower classes didn't. And here, we have the actively do suburb where these people are basically

just totally stranded

on the c and it's a tumultuous c. And I mean, we even enough dead people and it's kind of a cobb. But that also is, like another item of here. We will go do with the moment.

But absolutely. It's very dramatic. It's a very intense story how. I was really trying to go ahead and, like, and what it is is they're basically trying to find down a ship off in the distance, and you can see it ...I know the painting means ginormous.

If anyone has been totally lose, it's and one ...it's basically in the the ground gallery, which is, like, the main ones where you go, and you see, like, the coronation of Napoleon and things like that.

And so it's ...but in the penis, it's just tiny hanging a little ship.

Which ...I mean, in real life would probably be the size of, like, a computer.

Desktop.

Since so ...and they're trying to fly it down in a hope of rescue. And it's just it's like I said it's this really tragic story, but so interesting.

You're weren't so much riders history through it.

I just cheated a little and I looked it up as you were speaking

to the piece, and it is ...it's so rich in color. But, like, you said it's so cobb, like, let's it it's just

it's it's also, like, so so. It's it's I recommend it if anybody out there is interested, but ...yeah,

It can you know ...and

speaking to that, I love how you talked about the emotion.

And I was thinking about this. And, you know, in in terms of art and and your platform, the curious art historian

it's ...you know, a lot of it is geared to our people who maybe

are interested in the topics of art. Our history,

the art market, but don't really know where to get started.

And so,

you know, there's a little bit at least for me, I know sometimes perhaps there's this

mentality where art can kinda be a little stuffy, perhaps or, like seem like a hard thing to navigate, especially in another culture when maybe you don't speak the language. Do you have any tips for people who are new

to art or maybe integrating it. It art in art history into their travel plans.

Absolutely.

Megan it's really funny you say that because I actually come from a very science oriented family.

I am a bit of a black sheep.

Literally, everyone of my family works on the sciences but me.

And so I have had many, many years of convincing them to come to museums with me and go to all of these different collections.

Have and so it is. I think it is very, very scary to think oh my god. I I'm gonna go to this museum. Like, just wander around and look at things. And I think a lot of the times is it's there is a little bit of a learning curve. You learn what you enjoy looking at you learn kind of what sparks,

not to coin phrase but Marie Con like, what Sparks joy? It that very much applies to our as well too. Is I know for a fact, a friend of mine is obsessed with porcelain.

And so she goes all over to various places like, across Europe in German Vienna, and she is just looking

for

all of these are great porcelain things. So and do give yourself a trial and error. You may go to a museum and find that you weren't super excited about it.

But when and out ...like just give it a google goal of the city you're going to ...and

just kind of google go art that you're interested in. I mean, it is one of those things

where art does seem inaccessible, but it's not. And that's a beauty. I think, especially when Traveling in Europe,

is most of the museums are free or they're pretty low cost tickets.

So, even if you walk in, you can walk right back out if you don't like it. Like, don't be intimidated that you've spent money on a ticket or you're taking a time to go there. To find it you don't like it. I I think know lot of people forget that. It's like, no. No. No. It it's ...and

sometimes you can just

do a that part of it. I mean, I also know for a fact, like, I love architecture. So when I went to Brussels,

I just kinda of googled, like, famous buildings and was like,

what

what does been in the area that I can see Actually, it's how I found one of my favorite houses in Brussels,

which is the Vampire house.

And it it was incredible it's or Echo, and I know that's always really popular one with people. So I do recommend it. It is a private house,

but it is. It's kind of like, daniel go hops your right house. If you will in brussels,

and it's absolutely magnificent.

It's it's so cool. And like I said, it it was always was since I wouldn't have found if I hadn't just Google, like famous architecture in Brussels.

It sounds so ...like, it is intimidating

but it it can be super easy. And I love the fact that you kind of,

you know, really at the end of the day, the tick is usually aren't that expensive. And so it's like, oh, gosh. I'm gonna waste my whole day. This is not for me. You can write walk right back out.

And thank you, everybody so much for joining us. I'm gonna open it up at the end with questions. But if you have any questions for,

in the meantime,

we're gonna get into her hot takes of some hidden gems.

But if you have any questions about, you know, specifically, are if you're maybe planning a trip in

the future, the near future, and you're, like, what should I check out? Feel free to put them into this the chat, and we'll cover that know of that. But just know, okay. So

hidden in gems.

Because this was something that we talked about. And you have such a vast knowledge.

What are some hidden gems?

What are some best places maybe both nationally and internationally? Because i know we have some people in the audience that are not necessarily in the United States where I'm located.

To see in terms of art history arts, museums, public quirks.

Oh, that is a very good question.

I mean, I think really does depend on where you go.

One thing I love, so I am originally from the Bay area. I am born and raised.

It sort of Silicon Valley girl.

Now x into New York City. And one of the things that I always loved and I didn't realize it wasn't a thing anywhere else

is ...actually, if you go to the

...it's the grace cathedral

in downtown San know there is the only existing replica of the gate of paradise

from the Florence

Cathedral. So if you go to Foreign, you you very famously are going to see the lorenzo get about these

the Port part b. So ...and that is like these magnificent and gold, like these guilt doors. They're just ...I

mean, they're crazy

cool. And the idea realizes is actually San Francisco, Grace cathedral has the only existing copy of it.

And so I kind of like, very, like, manually spent my entire life thinking that, like, oh, yeah. There were other cities, a have these things there aren't.

So I do recommend a Grace cathedral in San Francisco absolutely breathtaking taking.

The area is breathtaking taking, and so it is worth of visit, even if you don't wanna see the doors, but you should see the doors.

Guess can I interrupt really quickly? I just got complete goosebumps because, again, I studied Renaissance art history and drawing in Florence and I mean, I spent hours at these doors. Like ...you know, the baptist

was ...and it's it is it of itself it's a whole ...it's a it's a structure by itself, the backstory, and the these doors are just ...I mean, it's like,

if you thought that you were going to, you know, for those of

people who believe in ...you know

higher beings, if you thought you're going to have it, Like, this would be the doorway. Like this is they're impact ...they're amazing.

I had no idea that there were actually

other ...like, you know, you gotta see the originals, but what

San Francisco. Oh my gosh. Okay. Talk about and Gents. I'm sorry. Interrupted. How they keep going.

Absolutely.

No. It is I mean that is. I feel incredibly privilege. To have seen that in my lifetime and, like, have to have that ability to grow up with it.

But the other thing, actually, in service francisco i will note before moving on, is there's this really really gorgeous gig var Mural.

I am a huge free the Call fan. I adore her on my to do list is to go to our house in Mexico. I have yet to be

everyone I know. So it's the most amazing life changing experience I've ever done. But Diego Rivera did a mural action where the City college San francisco sits at the moment. And you can really just walk on a campus for free, like, like, even with Covid now I believe the campus is still open,

and you can just walk on and have a look as this really gorgeous

gig Mural. And I mean, it's it's breathtaking taking. It will literally take your breath away. It's huge.

And it's just ...it's all of his classic styles. It's it's so fun.

So I do recommend that. And one of my favorites actually, it's none art related. We're gonna move over into London or I spent quite a bit of time. I lived there for a few years,

and it was ...it was one my favorite places. I if I could live any anywhere else in the world again, it would be London.

And there's

fun fact but not necessarily art related is there is a very non

water pump

in

in you're calling garden, and I think That's cool do the story before, but I don't know. I can't remember. So forgive me if I'm repeating myself.

And so it's it's a water pump. Right? And it's sitting next to this pub called John Snow. And,, of course, with all of the game of run stuff, I

it's still very bitter about that, but I digress. And

and so everyone was like, super excited about the pub, but they forget about that pump. And what is this actually, it's the pump where the famous scientist John snow discovered, the color i was transferred through water, and I mean, it was this huge

medical discovery. And I mean, people just kind of had a feeling that that's was how things were being transferred between communities in London, like these out breaks, but no one had proof until John still came along. And so this was, like, absolutely groundbreaking breaking as far as like, the germs theory went

and

I just love that. And you can literally just stroll up to it and it's train next to Cove Garden.

Or not cousin. I'm sorry. Carnegie Street.

Which for anyone who's a fan of little house prairie,

there is the very, very famous shop liberties

and it is done in Tutors style. It's a magnificent building, but this is where the mean girl from

from the house on the Prairie gets all for fabrics From. And it's true. It's a true story. Right? And so this is our real place that is historically been there for hundreds of years selling gorgeous,

bolts of fabric.

Even still walk into it, it's a very high end. It's like going into, like, a very nice meet my marcus. In a very old building.

And so

there's also delicious food. And I mean, it carnegie street is what the beatles were there for, So it's it's all that really fun energy in the area. Anyways, I would highly recommend popping over to that, but the John No pump is one of my favorites.

As far as art goes in London, one of my favorite sort of like sleeper hits that many people don't realize

is that they ...there's

a museum

historical house type

combination. I don't know quite. It's museum, but it's also like a house.

And it's called the search one so you

And many people who know American are will be like, oh, John Phone, and I'm like, no. No. No. It's a different John snow.

This guy was an architect And he basically was a teacher at the royal academy back in its early days, and he just loved to collect stuff I mean, if he could get his hands on it, He collected it. Like, there's a

in the basement of this thing.

If today's houses and it it's just it's such great museum, and has beautiful pieces in it. It actually has

a full collection of William Hog.

Series.

And the series of a rake if I'm not mistaken, and it is night magnificent percent. I mean, I absolutely

cannot stress.

Museum enough to people.

And many people will don't know it because it does ...it's hidden away. It's tucked into lincoln's in sort of like field, which is for those of you who are familiar or not familiar with London. It's right next the whole porn tube station,

which is about a fifteen minute walk from cousin garden,

where we have famous covered garden where all the plays were punching judy the world upper house.

It it's just ...it's

so cool.

And like, i said there's a in the basement guy. It's it's it's a wild.

It's a wild.

This guy who literally go one of his sisters around a circle off, I guess. I I just it it's my mind.

I love it because it's like as passionate as like, this person is obviously extremely passionate. Just like your passion is mirroring,

honestly, I could sit and listen to you talk about these hidden gems all day long, which is live,

I put your link to you the curious are in the description that everybody can check out. Because know, actually, for those of you who joined, maybe a little bit late, to now give virtual

and lectures

on all different kinds of things. My my favorite series that I still have yet to join because I just can't make it as the bu art historian, which is pat talking about art history.

You've got the Seventeen series. You did the the deep series, which I did catch, and I loved it. You are going to be doing some spectacular things in the fall if I'm not mistaken, We can get to that later. But ...yeah ...oh, my gosh. I love it. I I absolutely could sit here and just listen all day long and I love

the head and Gems because there's just fascinating

meaning things all over the place like the John Snow pump, which I left because we did talk about we ...I think we spent, like, thirty minutes talking about no

how ridiculous it is that, you know, during that time, people thought that sickness was, like, coming through bad smells.

Yeah. And like

smells when really, it's like, no. They're called germs.

This.

So it's like, it's revolutionary,

but it's ...you know, maybe people don't know. So ...so

I and I have this fun little series called three travel cakes.

And they're just supposed to be really off the cuff, like, single word or single sentence answers.

So I'm gonna put you on the spot a little bit here.

And for those of you listening after this, we'll definitely open up for questions. If you have any questions, please feel free to hop up on stage or afternoon in the chat where, you know, if if you're planning a trip, where some places you should check out are.

Okay. So through travel,

where was the first place you traveled outside of your, like,

known?

Quote unquote.

Oh, that's a really good question.

I feel like I said, that's all your questions. All of these are amazing. I am here for it. And so I think actually,

it one of the first things that was really outside of my my comfort zone, if you will. That really pushed me

was actually when I moved to Europe to live there for a couple years from my master's program.

I moved to Paris. I mean, I I spoke a few words of French. My program was an english. It was based it was sponsored by a university war, like, in london, like, out

skirt of london kind of thing.

But it was located for, like, six this seven months in Paris.

And so I had never lived in another country let alone, like, spoke it lived in another country where I spoke a different language.

And that really ...like that to me really changed how I thought about the war olds.

And then I think for the better, it was ...it really did make me more well rounded in the sense of the understanding that it's one is so difficult to speak another language fluently, and I have so much respect for people who speak multiple languages fluently like that just what my mind. You guys are rock stars.

And then also just seeing how day to day life is different.

Outside

of what you're used to.

I certainly ...I

...Going

to raise California. I was actually like, I spent the majority of my life. In the Bay area, And so to have stuff to drastic change was really kind of un unsettling, but not bad what if that makes sense.

Totally.

So where it let me ask you where have you traveled that was different from what you expected?

Oh.

That's a tough one to say.

I think, actually, one of my fever

was I went to greece. For a week on vacation.

When I was living in London so was super cheap, I like caught a key head over for twenty year.

It was incredible. Was absolutely, like, mind flowing to me, which was also great because those of boat credits in it and I went to greece,

and it just was like, it was so different than anything I had expected. But in the most wonderful way, I mean, the people were so kind and super nineties. Again, I spoke like three words of Green.

Is everyone knows from really accommodating.

I found throughout my life that, like, food is kind of a universal language.

So when you like, just is one to show appreciation for someone's food, you are set for life, that is it ...that's all you need to do. And you get excited option.

Oh, a hundred percent. Smiling hand gestures. And speaking of food, you and I are gonna do a special travel in food

talk where we're just gonna talk about all the different types of food and our favorite.

So everybody's stay tuned for that.

Okay. The last thing. So I have a a ...I have a suspicion, maybe it's related to art, but what is the best thing you've brought back from a trip,

whether it was an idea, an object,

a relationship, a recipe or an actual

piece of gigabytes.

Who

let me think about that. I mean, I feel I've taken away so many

wonderful memories. Like I

I have had so many

incredible experiences. My ...for those of who who don't know me on a very well basis, you know, I loved out more than, like,

going into things. Like, I am the person at, like, art who's begging the gallery owners so, like, open up the cabernet, so I can see the insides

Of that like I'm very ...like, I need to know what's going to inner workings stuff things.

And I mean, that's true even enough museums and, like, collections. And so my whole life is basically me going around and convincing people to give me, like,

private tours of things.

As much as I possibly can bribe them with food, booze, that kinda of

whatever I take, so I'm get into these the collections.

The most of the time it's just showing interest, like a genuine interest in that objects, and people are very open to talking about it. Yeah.

Yeah. That's one of my favorites was this experience. I was able to convince

basically a friend of a friend to let me into verse high.

The house of side, when it was closed to the public

and, like, get a, like, a walking tour of Maria twenties like,

apartment, and I just was like, sorry like, I i still can't believe but I stare like it an our historians I've not ...like A five. Like you you sweet. You're like, a pen tester. You just sneak your way in like, a social engineer.

Because that's my life goal. Is started to be like the Indiana challenge of like, private tours. I'm like, how can I do this? How can I convince people?

That means that I will do a shameless plugins for this the ...like, for size take talk actually,

they do an incredible job of, like, all of these, like, hidden rooms that you would normally see when you go to visit the palace during, like, the mean hours.

So I highly recommend that, like, how i have to talk?

Our Tic tac. And also, there's a tutor one that you and I like Tutor history. We were talking about too. It's kind of amazing what tech k has become. Absolutely. And I mean, all i lot out there. I love it, Like the nerds find way. You know? Like yeah. When we find way. So it's

speaking of being excited and just, you know, loving

to share your knowledge and loving to and showing you justin and experiential learning about things as you're traveling.

Fun fact, you are opening up your platform to early career research. Can you just share, like, a very quick little high level

about what that means, for.

Absolutely.

No. I am happy to promote that. Thank you for bringing it up. ...yeah. It ...so I found that through my career, it in dart world that it is all very difficult for people who may have these little, like, thoughts in their head it my favorite term that you have is and around in their thoughts.

Any these different topics that they've been researching,

and it's really difficult to get published in academic journals, And so I wanted to open my platform to too sort of, like early career

researchers. And so they have a place in which they can promote their work because they can use my platform. I will obviously

promote through social media

I like give a shout out to my one of my colleagues and my counterparts actually in London is she her passion is Maritime churches,

and she

wrote, like, a little piece for me, sort of a beginner's guide two Maritime churches

that now at on site, and I highly recommend having a look at it. She's just very low written. And I mean, she just for this three part documentary on it.

But, yeah, so that kind of information things that you would love to put out into the world, but may not have, like, it may not be worthy of an academic publishing.

Does that make sense?

Yeah.

As ...well, I think everybody needs to get their start somewhere.. Right? Like,

And and that's what I love and with color curiosity. It's just kind of ...I love collecting people who are experiential learners and lifelong learners through different avenues and and global noncitizens and

I think, you know, aggregating all that is a passion line and then sharing it with other people as as educational tools.

Is not unlike what you are doing. And so I just ...you

know, it's it's easy to see that we are ...I'll

be same elk and and love sharing all that. Absolutely

if anybody has any questions for general, please feel free to invite yourself up to the stage.

You can also drop the question in the in your chat, if you hit that little react button on the right hand side,

and then pick an emoji

the principal will change to take your question.

So if you're if you're planning travel, which I know are all itching to get back to

either in the near future or in the far future,

if you have anywhere that you're planning to going you're, like, what should I check out? What kind of ...you know,

museums should I go to? What kind of souvenirs should I bring back?

Feel free to have that in.

And as we wait for just a a quick minute or two to see if anybody has any questions, general, I'm super curious.

So if ...you know, talking about souvenirs and and collecting art in on a global scale or even a national scale, are there any ...places

specifically where it's like,

it's really awesome to bring back

artwork. Like, do you have any tips are people expanding their collection or anything like that?

Oh, yeah. Definitely.

That there's one of the things about learning about a historical art market is you kinda find yourself into the contemporary art mark and I don't mean, like, necessarily just contemporary or but, like, in the sense of what's happening now in the art market. And I would say, like, if for a lot of people who are maybe scared to get into

the like, collecting game

that very much ...there's this really great fear called the affordable art fair, and then come to most cities actually,

And they do represent artists from your local region,

and they're just incredible. It's a really great place to go, and you can find work under, like, five thousand dollars.

Have sometimes a little bit more if you're willing to up your annie on the budget. But I mean, for me, I'm looking at things under, like, five hundred dollars, and this is a great place to go. Same.

I'm not that confident yet.

That's awesome. What a good tip. I've never heard of that. Yeah. Absolutely. I highly recommend it.

Another one that's just started to is the

the super fine art fair. I think they're just on the East Coast right now. It's the same concept Actually,

and I have met some incredible artist through it. And I would ...very much argue ...they have a website now, obviously, since we can't have art,

and you can reach out to artists directly through a lot of these platforms.

So I would definitely recommend to people who want to just kind of start sca out things that would be interested in

to have a look at those websites.

I love those. As Lily said she worked in an art museum store, one of the exhibits

we're we're benign African art. I've I ...it totally watched that I did not say that correctly. But in, i I don't know.

I don't know if you've heard of it. That's awesome.

That sounds so cool though. I'm we'll have to pick Like, I love to know i a lot of.

Fun fact, if you're looking for, like, the best souvenir art museum stores, you have them. Like, I you will find so much cool

stuff there. If anybody's ever in the Chicago Area, the museum of Contemporary arts gift shop is just like, honestly one of my favorite places to go for gifts in general.

Yeah.

It was ...yeah. I love that music museum so much. Well, thank you so so much, now I have loved having this conversation with you ...all ...if people wanted to find out more about you, the curious art historian, your work,

I did put your Url in the Fortune Cookie text, so people can actually click on that and save it. But where can they find you?

Thanks.

So definitely, you can find me on my Instagram handle using can Dm there.

It's literally the our his start.

Are the curious are historian

on Instagram, and my website is the curious historian dot com.

Pretty much I live on Instagram. I have a very real addiction and they need help.

So unhealthy game.

So, yeah, That's usually best way to me.

Awesome. And you're gonna be possibly doing a couple shows in our history here on Fireside.

Yes.

Definitely those are kids work know absolutely they're in the works, and I'm really looking forward to our art and food chat because I absolutely wanna hear your yes. Recommendations for Florence. I can need to know more for my next trap. Yes.

Oh, a hundred percent. Well, thank you so so much. This has been such a pleasure. Thank you, Everybody so much for tuning in. I hope you learned something about art history

and it's placed in travel in the world.

Thank you again, also, for tuning in and wetting your worldview view with us here on Fireside. I'm your host Megan Think. You can learn more about wider worldview and grab links to our previous shows over at w w w dot color and curiosity dot com,

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