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Hello.

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Oh, everyone. Welcome to wider worldview of

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podcast exploring the power of travel and how it can change the world.

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I'm your host, Magazine.

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I'm a marketer by day, a passionate travel photographer and journalist when I can fit it in

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and a lifelong on letter always, and I believe the power of

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travel can make the world a better place.

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join us for conversations with entrepreneurs, educators, and explorers and get

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aspire to tap into travel and get outside your quote unquote.

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comfort known.

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for fourteenth at the episode today. I am so

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decided to introduce you to not one, but two, amazing tech

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carol browsers who happened to be in Kenya right now, Kaplan,

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founder an executive director of code dreams as well as

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program director of careers and computer science at The University of Chicago.

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and Mel boy,

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founder of tele like ten

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tech.

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Africa. Oh, say that five times fast, as well as a software engineer,

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both of these amazing organizations, Chicago based code dreams, and

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tech, Africa aimed to make the life and world changing power of technology more

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possible. When they found out that two would be meeting in Kenya this week, I had to get them on the show.

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Welcome Bree and Nellie, how are you?

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Hi. We're so excited to be here.

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Oh my god. Megan what I'm intro. I have let dawn use it.

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You know, it's funny. I would you would think that I would

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recorded it by now, but I think I just memorized that I could probably wake up at, like, three A and say.

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I'm so

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I like the part where you see

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you say by day, and then it'll same by night, You see when you can see them.

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That's

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is just like, it's awesome.

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well, I'm so glad and I am so thrilled to have

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you both on this show. I know this is a little bit of a fly by seat of your

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hand situation, but I am absolutely honored and thrilled to have you both

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taking the time, I know it is, like, nine zero four Pm in Kenya right now. So

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we're are just gonna get into it a quick before we start.

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in the audience, everybody. Hello. If you think you're

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network would like this cat I encourage you to hit that little

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in the bottom left corner and then tap the globe.

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and you can actually share this live link with any of your favorite clap

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farms or social channels. And additionally, we will definitely be opening it up at the

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end for questions. But in the meantime, feel free to use

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the chat, which you'll tap on that little right hand, react button,

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picking emoji, and then the prompt will change to tax

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and then you can just put your questions in there, and we will adjust them. So

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before ...let's just get into like,

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said, bree, you and I connected through General assembly.

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which is a community focused and cultivating tech talent and life on learning. And, Nellie, I know you

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count Chicago as part of your own journey as well.

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can you both share a little bit about your background, how you were inspired

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to found each of your organizations, the mission of them and how we got to

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present day,

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sounds good, and can you hear?

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We can. Yes.

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Okay.

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We're good. We got us.

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I we're good. Okay. Our connected

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isn't the best. So, yeah. So this is b

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So my journeys with Code dreams, I think

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started in high school. I remember

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there is our first computer Science class in high school

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that I was really intrigued by, But what it really became was

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this

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was this class where it was all boys,

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and they would meet after school and play video games. So it felt like this

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club that wasn't really a part of. And so I felt like,

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whatever this computer science thing is, it's really not for me.

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not a gamer. So then when I went to college, I had

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a very similar experience where

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my computer science classes were mostly male students, and I felt like, I just didn't have a

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place to fit in. So what I decided to do was really just sell

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learn computer science. And then after

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graduating from college. I worked as a deed scientist that a couple of

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tech companies. Where today, just about fifty

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teen percent of data scientists or female,

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so I felt like I was in a really

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good place myself, I I just felt really confident.

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where I was and in my skills as would be the scientist,

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And I was also managing a lot of people both software engineers

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as well as be the scientists. And I felt like I had a good grasp on, like,

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how to break into the tech industry and be successful there.

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at the same time, I saw just

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this issue of of there being a bear

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barrier of entry into the tech industry. So that's

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why I decided to start code your dreams.

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So we are a nonprofit We teach

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kids as well as adults, computers

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science with the community focused lens,

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So our students go through this really intensive program

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it looks a lot like an accelerator program where students

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think about their communities

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what great assets they have in their

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community is the also what problems they see in their everyday lives.

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and then we help our students build products

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businesses profit, apps that help address or help

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solve that particular problem. So students learn everything from

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project management design research,

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software development, branding and marketing,

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And so something in there really sparks for every

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you then. So it's all about exploring all of the career pathways that exists.

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but also showing how technology it can be a catalyst,

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change within our communities

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I feel like I just talked a lot. So do not

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No. I'm just os. Sorry. I had to pick my job off the floor,

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every time I hear the story, it's just

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it it gives me goosebumps buns and, you know, free you and I connected. And I just

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think that what you're doing for the community and talking, you know, we sell a lot of social justice

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is issues in in accessibility and barriers. It's

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especially technology in it's it's always been a problem issue, but

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think, especially this past year. And so this whole idea of

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getting at it from the grassroots is so

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important. So thank you so much for sharing that story and

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Valley, I would love to hear more about Tech Africa because I am not

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as familiar.

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Oh

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What what's really funny is that B I actually met

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general assembly as well.

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That's how we met, and we'll just the same person.

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it has become this awesome

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we like,

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almost a year to date. It was a fast

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I think it was one of the events together and it maybe may

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Yeah. It was amazing anyway. And Kenya introducing called your dreams

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to to the school god. So my

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my motivation for

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for Africa is really rooted in my childhood going up here.

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Pierre Because I grew up I a go in

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like, like, really die where you you go to back hungry sometimes you

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walk barefoot, my mom gonna put killers since I can study.

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and and I just ...and not

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travel. Like, this was it for me like, this village like, and then I'll look around me and I've see some

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putting the last situation then I was a little bit better, but just still

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poverty. And and I just knew that this cannot be it

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this cannot be that

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I didn't know what the world was like. Right? But I just knew that

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it has to be better. Make, it no that every child in the world,

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is having to worry about food. If not able to play. It's not able to do that.

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And and also watching my mom

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really had to

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Oh,

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we may have

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lost you. Three, where

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I don't know if if

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I'd

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You didn't talk

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Oh, we can hear you. Sorry. We

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Nellie, I apologize. I think you got a little bit cut off you're telling us about your mom.

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and we last you there.

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where

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Oh

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be able

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Okay. We're

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What have you been able to the whole time? Or are we dropping a

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We had ...yes. Up until just when you were telling

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Oh, then

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a little bit about your mother, but I can hear you now. Yes.

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Okay. I missed anything then. Okay. So

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So Just become motivated to to change that narrative.

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And I never Really knew how i was going to do it.

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And and over time, it has looks really different. They like,

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when I was ninety years old just like,

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just visiting my system, so she gonna have to go through that when I was older,

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it was just like doing jobs here in town and supporting other other kids who were going to

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going to ben hungry. And and so

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But or all in all, I just like, you know what if I started had in school, something will open up and it did

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I got a full scholarship to come to America.

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And when I got there, then I really saw it. Then I really saw just how much do

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and last years of there. How much resources they have?

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like hall. They just the

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the life of the kids going up in America in of those Chicago is so much different today.

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as with the kids here. Yes by going up bad. You just like your only one in life. Right?

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And and I I became motivated to try to

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to bring that. I'm not like that I had to leave Kenya Had to leave more go

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to discover this. I wanted to bring this opportunity to my community

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And at the time I was like, I'm just gonna be the school.

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I'm going to build an awesome school that is going to have all the results

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the chicago. So if you've seen force,

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building a force solid community center that is

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going to have a recording studio list to the gymnastics states

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just everything that you didn't think of So this was I was bring all this before this

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covered computer ions. Because i

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first user I eighteen.

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I go to America. I bought a laptop, but I didn't not really know how to use it. I had it for three years.

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know anything about computer science and you like to cut class and also impressed.

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And so when I discovered Science,

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still in twenty fifteen, which is

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Like this is edge. This is the tool that it's going to

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to change the world. They could change their

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the community is going to empower so many people

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Because during my journey of just trying to see like,

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while we have so much pain in poverty

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I came to realize that it's really

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We don't have the best supposed to support system that makes us grow right

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If you're studying a business, you don't have the best financial

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institution that gives you loan if you I whatever it is.

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but technology, you don't need that. You don't need the best bath. You don't need

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I don't know. Fancy rhoads. You just need a laptop, and he connects the digital

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economy. You can walk remotely for the American company making

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the same rates is those people in those in those countries,

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And, yeah, that was it. So we started it doing that.

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chatting no way at the digital economy.

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gonna stop now be good so long.

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No. I could have listened to for

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ever. I'm gonna ...yeah. I

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The cool thing about Fireside is you can actually interact with this

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we were recording everything, and I'm gonna be publishing it on

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and curiosity dot com. But I I I love that you can react and

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again, have to pick my dog up off the floor because

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Wow. Nellie, but a story and

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know, something that you said really just struck out.

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stuck out to me and and really struck me saying

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when you came over to the United States from Africa,

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seeing the kids growing up here.

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going up here, you've won.

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and putting that in perspective and just hearing somebody else's perspective with

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So

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it would ...it really ...it it just

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Do

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Well,

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put things into perspective for lack of a better term for, you know, everybody and and that's what I aim to do.

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with what worldview you. Sorry to yeah.

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So megan is ...I think we're having

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We missed most of that's. Do you mind seeing it again?

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Oh, no. Not a problem.

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gave hear me now.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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I feel like I should, you know, be the new person on the var commercial.

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But I to hear you say, you know, that just seeing

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children growing up in the United States, they have already won

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and they haven't, you know, put any of the resources

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to use yet. And and while what a what point

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perspective there. So thank you so much for sharing your story because

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I just aim to, you know, Why didn't everybody's worldview you?

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mhmm

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on this podcast. So thank you. So both of you ...what

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what incredible organizations aiming to overcome this barrier of the

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accessibility both in the Us in Chicago specifically.

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and then also in Africa. So kim

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either one of you is ...it's both of you I'd left hear from both of you, but if

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if one of you wants to start just sharing a little bit about

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the challenge, you know, maybe one or two, one of the biggest

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road or challenge that you have faced regarding each of these respective organization

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sense

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It's so funny. I feel ...we

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we talk about this all the time and just problem solve with each

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tub. I think one of the reasons why we talk so much.

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well so many reasons. But because we go through the

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seen challenges almost at the same time.

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So there's probably hundreds of challenges that we could take right now

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to talk about. But I would say the challenge that

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is not surprising would be fun.

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both Nellie and I in a very similar boat with the size

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of our organization where both are just

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so incredibly impactful. We you so much every day. We got a key our entire

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lives and the have teams of of people, both volunteers and page

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contractors that we have that dedicated keep their entire lives and really

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their entire hearts to their mission, but we

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aren't at the point where we are able to pay own salaries.

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so we also have to support ourselves with

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full time jobs and side gigs and things

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you know, we just have the Vs green that as possible.

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But also, when it comes to just wanting to serve more students, I know that

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like, we have I told your dreams a weight less, but I don't know how many students

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comedy many schools and communities centers, and the real barrier there is just

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funding. I think that's probably the

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the song of a nonprofit.

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First.

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Yeah. But we also is dick Yeah. I oh

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is different because I think

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I think we really, like, if you look at all products, both products

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what these

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Oh,

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We're we are

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sort of going to in and out with audio

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I think

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It's

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there might be ...we are a couple countries away. I think

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Yeah.

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Oh,

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Oh, we can hear you. Okay. So Nellie, we were were listening to

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sorry. We did ...there is a bit of a, you know, delay possibly, but

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we were listening to talking about your product being a little bit different.

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Yeah. So one second, you know what? Let's just switch the next

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just send. Bit. We'll you're right back. Stay tuned.

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Okay.

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in the meantime, so that is, you know,

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I i got to know bree, and I was very fortunate to hear about this

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opportunity to speak with Nellie as well for those of you in the audience,

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If you do wanna learn more about color dreams,

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or Tech Africa. You can actually visit the websites

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in both of in the Fortune cookie. And there have been ...there's a

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of different ways that you could donate if that's something that you, you know, are interested in.

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And I just have to think it's ...you know, there so many wonderful

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ideas like this out there that really, it's ...it's

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mostly, it's a funding issue. And as Bree had said, you know, I think it's a song of numb

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off. But I have to say I don't usually rock the boat that much, but

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know if if maybe some people are just, you know,

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I don't know.

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board did not spend, like, what, fifteen minutes in space

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like, five point five billion dollars and just throw a little better letting it

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some of these ideas I

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just gonna put that out there.

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know maybe some they so get on the app, but

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I think that the beauty of Fireside is that it really is able to democrat

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people's voices and get great ideas and and great communities out there.

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three, I think,

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It sounds like you're probably looking

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moving around, feel free to come back whenever you're able

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in the meantime, if anybody would like to ask a question, please do feel free to use the

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that there's that react button in the lower right hand corner.

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we can also, we're gonna open it up for the last couple of minutes up on stage.

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But

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has anybody out there, I mean, have you

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I'm so interested to know is this something that you realized was

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kind of out

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there like an issue. You could use the thumb up or the summons down the reaction.

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it was really ...you know, I had never thought of it before the pandemic one

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I'd started talking to breed about accessibility to technology because

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so meant so much of that and, you know, the impoverished areas in Chicago was at

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schools or libraries or places that had closed down.

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Oh, we may have you back.

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three

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I think we're back. Can you hear us?

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You're back. Yes. We can. We can.

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Awesome. Yes. So

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sorry. I think we were did a pretty darn good job for being a couple countries.

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away from each other.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Nellie, you were talking a little bit about the product being

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sort of different. And then, you know, maybe if you had a diff

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different talents. It's sounded, like funding was also one of them, but

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Yeah.

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maybe a little bit different.

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all

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Yeah. I'll trying to explain

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just when finding the challenge for us is because we spend all lot time building the product.

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I we spent like, Ninety ninety percent of the time. You gonna

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Wow.

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product for me, I think nineteen nine percent did the product, and then one person in front

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It's just yeah. Anyway, the kids are just so cute and

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honest

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This solves so much hope and so much left and love.

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from them.

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Yeah

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I love that so much. And

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one of the questions that I was thinking about is

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know, while we talk about challenges, and, obviously, you know, funding is a huge

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you I was curious to know, and

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you just sort of touched on it, but

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for both of these organizations, can you

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pinpoint and agree when you were talking a little bit about code dreams, you are talking about some of the

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that have come out of the community and the issues that the

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product actually address within the community grassroots rich level.

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So can either one of the or both, I love for both of you highlight, maybe, like,

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obviously, there tons, but maybe a program or an app

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Oh,

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that has come out of the program, that's just so cool.

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or and then also, like your biggest reward from starting these organizations.

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you you.

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So I I always think back to

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I mean,,

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Okay. Let me rewind. So with the code dreams,

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program, every student builds their own app. So to date, we've had

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hundreds and hundreds of apps that students have developed

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that are really impactful. And so I'm using for

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communities, I think back to one of my middle

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school students. And when here,

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came to my class. It was in a community thunder.

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and the head of the communities under pulled me into her office,

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and she told me, warned me specifically about this one students.

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And she said the students, he doesn't pay attention in class.

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he doesn't pay attention and after school programs,

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he's not going to pay attention to you. All he is is a distraction.

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So the second that he's not listening.

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he's doing something he shouldn't be doing.

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just have him come into my office and he'll just sit out for the day.

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So this students, we had a little bit

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phone Bra you start, I think because there's always trust issues or

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when it comes to a new teacher,

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but he really ended up falling in love with our program. And I think the reason

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by the reason being is that

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it's such a like student focused program and such a

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personal program where students are asked questions that

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are normally asked of a sixth grader

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or a tenth grader or twelfth grader. Right? Like, how would you

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change your community, Like, what do you think would be powerful?

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can you talk to different people in your community and see what are the

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challenges that they're facing every day and really try to innovate from there.

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And so the problem that he decided that

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he wanted to help address or help solve was gun violence.

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So his community is on the south on the west side of Chicago,

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actually,

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has the highest rate of gun violence in Chicago.

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and so he had seen family members

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affected before his own eyes from Gun Violence, and so he

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he did as he created an app. That was an app for people to walk around

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the neighborhood and feel safer. So there is a

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in where a a wow the alarm wood siren there is a button that would

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automatically ...your different contact

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of yours as, if you're feeling unsafe, every different resources that you could be

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pointed you. He was really creating a a

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community and on top of the application,

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to really help people, you felt like they were in a similar situation.

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And so the reason why I love telling this story is be

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has ending is just so

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Perfect. Where

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he had at the end of the program, he developed this incredible app

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he marketed it, granted it gave, like, a stellar presentation. And so

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he walked right back into the head of the community centers

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office, and he showed her his app, and he pointed you it.

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And he said, this is what I'm going to do when I grow up

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I'm going to be a developer, and I'm going to build apps

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And I just feel like that is just the perfect

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circle to the story, where, you know, when you believe in care

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it's just like Nellie saying, like, there's so much hope and when you give them

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the resources. And when you believe in them,

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and they have the opportunities, like, they will just

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rise to be occasion, like,

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no generation she never has. I think that's the amazing thing about

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technology

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Yeah.

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Oh wow. That's is a amazing story. Cool.

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I love that so much. I

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it it is such a full moment. It's like,

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It's

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technology is such a powerful tool.

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And speaking of technology Nellie, do you have a story or, you know, just

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and he experience it all from ...that's kind of come out of this organization

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that you have developed a

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Africa.

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I'm going to send you a a recording of my again joy.

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I know I'm so sad

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It's so time to there.

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No. That's good. That's i again.

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we have a music fee

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Tech, Africa.

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Yeah. I'll then you the music video, and then you'll

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I think

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Oh, i love that. I would love that.

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be and

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I I think for me,

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it changes every week, and this is not the the one

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But recently,

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there's this kid that

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you story because I like

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So kids come to the school and the years computers. I go to this

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schools and the

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I go to their schools and your labs

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but we do a lot of things together. Like, when I go running, they run with me

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i'm eighteen miles. But I

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Wow.

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when I ...when Palette is walking out like, we just always

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develop

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So I end up like knowing the kids, like, really knowing them.

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I only not not knowing anything about their background about their stories because I feel like it doesn't it much

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nights.

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just about the kids. So there's this kid who

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I think I don't know what ...like anything about his personal story. But I think

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maybe it's homeless or coming from. I don't know what is started is.

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but we're having this talent

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last saturday. Does that unsure? And and

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get was invited because we are like the cool and town and all that.

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was invited. And and so

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This kid came to me. So we'll time, like,

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every time they could try to sit down, someone would be, like,

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you go outside. You don't like cannot not dressed for beautiful days event.

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every time they, go just always kicked out. So he came told me that I have

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I have a dance like, I'll like to dance like the perform.

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most of the performance months already like, in the list, and i wasn't been invited.

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And and since I was

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the ceo of tablet. I I just said, oh, I have a kid once to dance. Right.

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And and so, like, I I think if they knew who the kid was they wanna

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yes we have like, daunte and he can come down.

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And then he came to this stage

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and, oh my god. He killed it. He was

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he was like the best dancer. When I was watching him i was just crying

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I was this i ...I was so happy to seeing him dance because

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it's just like,

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Feel like everyone he has going, and just been like, you know, left because it's not like

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clean and for he looks like homeless almost kid

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but then he was balanced on stage just dancing everyone was cheering.

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technology just story of the week.

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But in terms of the app,

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Yeah. I've send the video sometimes have a video dancing too. It so cool.

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I love that.

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in terms of the app, I think my favorite apple my favorite

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thing is seeing seven olds, like, a younger students who

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is seven. So I think most of the audience formula

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touch typing where you just like, know where the kids are from.

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you know? Like, you're gonna like, you have muscle memory of the keyboard.

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So I have this seven year and we have older students.

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who knows how to touch?

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And I I learned how to touch type in twenty eighteen.

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So before twenty eighteen, I would just look at the keyboard and

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spend, like, ten times longer typing than anyone else.

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and it's a programmer that's liability.

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So in my first job,

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i will literally shake if my boss came to me,

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like, if I need to show my boss something either a sequel quiz,

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or a presentation or an email I'm typing, and then it's, like, over me

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I will just shake and and be so nervous because I was like, I'm gonna be fine any moment.

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because I don't know where the kids are. Because they well was typing most

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like using a the key one I'm pressing you're looking at pressing it.

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And my boss date on other hand, had a keyboard with medicine

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just all

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black. Right. And then he just knew what the kids was.

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and it took me almost eight months on this app.

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to learn how to type

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...no. I can't touch. I mean I talking for two years only. Like so like I'm been just setting forever.

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And and to see that we have seventy year olds

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touch typing. Right? So that they're like

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we said people who had three times younger than me. Touch typing

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is just the coolest ever.

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And and the question of the thing too is that

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what when time saw me being touch typing,

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he did that it took me eight master learn.

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finished the whole lesson in one night. I can hate him for that.

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But

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but that a good experience because when I was

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science to teach start tapping to kids and find to to the Internet. He viewed

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our own version to that version of effect Typing,

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that is is gem, and it's it's gonna walk offline.

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And and so that's the app using to teach, like,

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over four thousand kids I know how to touch.

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so just follow of them keep learning how to touch that when they're so little.

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difficult needs to roll my heart.

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Oh my gosh. I ...wow. I think

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four thousand students in just

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you know, from that and ...wow.

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Thank you so so much for sharing those stories.

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I know it's getting pretty late for both of you in Kenya,

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so one of the respectful of your time, but I do think Nellie, thank you for sharing that Daunte.

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story because

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I don't think it was unrelated at all. I think get really beautifully well back

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to the idea that B had shared. It's like,

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when you

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put your face and

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people that you may wouldn't ordinarily or, you know, you just

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given the opportunity, see what they can do.

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hold out just giving them access and then being blown away by where they take it. And

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they'll take it, you know, in in different places and even you could have imagined. So

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I love that. I love the story. I thought It went perfectly.

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So to be mindful of your time, I

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if anybody wants to learn more about these amazing organizations

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Tech Africa. I yes. He's coach dreams

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Yay.

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You can totally click

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on deli links in the fortune cookie.

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But beyond on that bree and Nellie, tell us just a little bit about where we can find

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more information if there's, you know, if we're interested in donating to these amazing causes,

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and then just we'll quickly wrap up there.

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Yeah. Well, so you can

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go to both of our website. So it's co dreams dot org

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and then tech Africa dot org, and both of those websites

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have donation pages that you can go ahead

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and kindly donate if you'd like, We also have in

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instagram, Twitter, facebook,

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What am I missing? Linkedin.

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linkedin in. I know for myself, I

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I probably post

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the most on Linkedin Maui probably post the most

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I'm Linkedin too. So that's a really good way to follow us.

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But Nellie handles are at Tech Effort

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for all of your social media pages. Yeah.

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and then for because your dreams were at co dreams,

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for everything except for Twitter,

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because it was taken. So we're

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at we code dreams on Twitter.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Awesome.

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Well, thank you so much. I am so owner that you were able to take the

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time to join us from Kenya. Please have so much fun and

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We love to stay up to date and what's going on over there, so everybody

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please do

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feel free to click on these links in the fortune cookie because

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they're just the most incredible programs. Thank you again. Thank you.

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for tuning in and letting your world view with us here on Fireside.

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I'm your host Megan thank. You can learn more about wider worldview you and grab.

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I can thank myself at moderately excited. Thank you. Again, And Valley,

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loved having you. Have a great evening

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Thank you, Megan. You're the best pose. Yeah. Let's

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killing it.

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Thank you. Have a great night and face travels to everybody.

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