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Hello, everyone. Happy.

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Tuesday. Welcome to wider Worldview a podcast exploring the power of

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travel and how it can contains the world. I'm your host, Magazine,

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I'm a marketer by day, a passionate travel photographer.

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and journalist when I can fit it in and a lifeline one liner always

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and I believe the power of travel can make the world a better place.

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join us for conversations with entrepreneurs, educators, and

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floors and get inspired to tap into travel and get outside your quote unquote.

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comfort known.

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For our sixteenth episode today, I am

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so excited to introduce you to follow Fireside

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Be host of climate collab, owner of long

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farm and founder, an editor of world thread traveler,

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which is a site dedicated to sustainable fashion, conscious living,

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responsible travel in ego education.

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she studied abroad for years at the American University of Rome.

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completed continuing studies at Harvard, computer masters on war studies

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King's College London. Oh, and also, her farm is dedicated

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preserving historical variety vegetables from around the world.

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But today, she's actually gonna be sharing her expertise

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responsible and sustainable travel. Welcome, Kate. How are you?

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Thank you, Megan. That was

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such a such a warm welcome. Thank you so much And my pleasure to be here.

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I I just

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followed you, you know, and and everything that you

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have shared on here on Fireside and on your own shows. I

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i'm so thrilled because I know ...and I I

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I will ...I both speak for everybody, but I am feeling pretty over overwhelmed right now when I think about the fact

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I wanna go travel

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and then everything that's happening. So we can definitely talk about that. I'll get into do it. Up

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Yes. Quite. That quite the dilemma Right?

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Right. Quick note before we start, if anybody in the audience

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hello on there. Thank you so much for joining us. If you think someone in your network would like this chat,

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share that link and invite anybody to listen live on

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any of your favorite social channels or platforms. And additionally, if you'd like to ask

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kate any questions, please feel free to use that chat you'll just

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tap the right

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hand emoji button react, and then you'll choose emoji, and i'm gonna the prompt changes

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text. You can actually just enter in a question, but we will also be opening up the floor at the end.

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So without further dk,

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you have a background in not only international relations

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but also a masters in war cities. I know you've had a love of fashion for a very long

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time. I know you, you know, you share your passion climate issues

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everybody. But could you tell us a little bit about how you got from point a?

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to point b where you are now and some of the initiatives you're working on.

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Sure. Yes. I I like to say my life

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is a series of accidents, happy accidents.

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But for me, I guess, fashion was always something in

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payroll to my upbringing. I remember I had a

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a trunk. Right? An old trunk that he think came from my

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one of my grandmother are great grandmother. That don't exact remember who. But

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my mother and aunts and grandparents would still it with

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just clothing of there is, you know, pieces that they once loved

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that they were no longer going to wear

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And so that was, you know, as a child

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I would spend hours both by myself and with friends, just playing dress up,

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and I couldn't get enough of it. And even as I got older, I would

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borrow clothing from some of my friend's parents, especially from the

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seventies. I love just kind of

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clothing outside of, you know, the trends or guess the norms we should say.

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but it never dawned on me to actually study fashion, admittedly, I don't like

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so I tried. It's not my thing.

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And I also, I grew up knitting. Right? So I I know how to knit. It just

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it never stuck with me, but putting pieces together became a form of artwork.

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I just didn't know at the time you could actually study that.

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So I went off to school actually just to study

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and quickly shifted into international relations.

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it was just something that struck accord in me trying to understand

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conflict in particular international and human rights law genocide studies.

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and wanting to know how we can create a better

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future specifically for people, but also for planet.

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And

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Yeah. And admittedly, I

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graduated university at the economic

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downturn, and so jobs are very tough to come by. And

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I I couldn't ...I couldn't find work essentially.

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Okay. Yeah.

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Mhmm. I hear that. I'm just shaking my head over here.

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Yeah. We ...you know, and was it the saying necessity as the mother of

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Mhmm.

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invention. I actually had a

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a relative, say, oh, you know, you you should start in Instagram

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and document what you're wearing and I thought, you know, social media not

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for me, I don't know about this, but

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Okay. Fine. Sure. And I was

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Fortunately, it it did well.

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and this is early early days of Instagram,

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I think this is two thousand ten, two thousand eleven.

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So so we did well and

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after about a year of doing that, I realized

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there was a disconnect between what I wanted to

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speak on with individuals, what was ...which was human rights.

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and my personal love of fashion, and I stumbled

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cross the phrase sustainable fashion. And at that time, it was not popular.

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at all. And but it it just clicked

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it clicked in my brain, and it sent me down a rabbit hole.

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and I guess, the rest is history, so to speak because

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that that turned into a blog and

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fashion grew into

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you know, responsible living and ego

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tourism and cool beauty. And now it's

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it's brought into the wider world of all things

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climate change in sustainability. So, yeah, that was ...I feel like that's the long short version.

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of it.

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that is not ...I mean, from looking at your background and just

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knowing when I know about your background that was naughty. I was not the long reason

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But because you have done just so many incredible things and

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from one's multi passionate to another, I I really resonated and

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empathize with just all the sheer magnitude of all the

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wonderful things that you're interested in. So on the side of ego

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tourism responsible travel

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sustainable travel if you will.

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I'm gonna honest and just say the worst kinda

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scary right now. Like,

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Greece.

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a lot of ...yeah. A lot of

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It's just

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Yes. Yes. I'm just just yes.

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Right. Like, I I I saw video clip of, like,

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greece sound fire in California Running And I'm personally in Colorado right now and we're getting this

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follow to smoke. And like, I can't go outside and and my my

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my throat is scratch and I'm like, I am feeling these effects and I couldn't

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Yeah.

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think of more app of time to have this conversation, but

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you know, it's almost enough to make you wanna get away.

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like, on a vacation, but then even that, even travel uses a precious

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resources. So could you share a little bit about, you know, what it means

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to travel responsibly and sustainably

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and then, you know, down the road, will get a little bit into what we can actually do about as every people

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Yes. So

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I mean, that's that's such a large

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topic. But, yes, he's I'm like trying to

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I know. And and that's why we're having it because I think a lot of people

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feel the same way. Right? It's like, everybody's super overwhelmed, but

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I guess if we could just pick it apart at, like, one tiny piece.

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of course, of course. Yeah. And and that's the thing. Everybody's starting point is going to be different.

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And this is where it parallels with fashion beautifully, which is

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or or just sustainable living in general, You start with white

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you can adopt within your own life.

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and that is going to look different for every individual

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but combined those impacts make an enormous difference.

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So as I go through some of these examples, keep in mind,

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you know, for anybody listening, it really is where you can

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start and where you can grow. It's not about tackling everything at once.

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so I think that's

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I'm

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that's an important takeaway person for because, otherwise, it can as said, it can get

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very, very overwhelming incredibly quickly.

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It's a sustainable travel. Okay. I mean, the most sustainable

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saying no one wants to hear this.

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is not to travel.

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I know.

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but that's that's not the topic of the conversation. Right?

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I know I know

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But I mean, the second most sustainable thing is that it's

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travel locally.

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using local transport. Right?

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so that doesn't include flying that actually doesn't even include using a

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hard to travel that includes public trends

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patients such as buses or trains,

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camping again,

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camping is obviously not for everyone. Right? So some people may wanna go into a city

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catch an art

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exhibition. So

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these are very general guidelines.

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when it comes to sustainable trouble, I think

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what we need to keep in mind first and foremost is that a

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according to the Un world tourism organization right? Because there's always debate on what these definition

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right. Sustainable tourism

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essentially takes into account.

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current and future economics

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social and environmental impacts.

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and

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it addresses the need of visitors

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the industry, the environment,

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and the host communities.

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So when you're thinking about traveling in a more sustainable

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manner.

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those are the things that need to be kept in mind. And

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when we're talking about economics, okay, we can we can kinda take that

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we can put that on a little bit of a back burner because if you're taking a mind to the host

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communities, you're already creating a good economic impact

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four

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that country or that community. And that also in

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applies that you're leaving a good impact between social and environmental impacts as well.

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I think I feel like Megan, you're gonna have to help me

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like, give me a more pinpoint question here, but

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Oh, yeah. Well, okay. I guess let's dive into that a little bit. So impacting the host

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communities. Is that ...are there maybe, like

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one or two things that people can just kind of

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think about and

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know? Because the the

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the the topic is very

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there's a lot of managers who do this, but if people had to take

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way one little, like, okay. Next time I'm gonna book a trip

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gonna put this in my mind and sort of think about how

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my travel is impacting this host community.

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you know, what would that be?

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Yes.

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absolutely. So this is something that

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to me, speaks to the loudest is which is socially responsible travel.

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So socially responsible travel is essentially directly up uplift

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the local communities. Right? And so anything you do when we're talking about

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sustainability should not be extract. Right? It wants to be

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well you wanna contribute to that local community. So that may be getting off

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the the beaten tourist track right Getting out of those

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centers that specifically cater and going out to the local neighborhoods.

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eating local cuisine at a family owned restaurant.

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And and by the way, once you

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in green. I don't wanna say grain yourself. But once you get off that being in track,

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I promise you you are going to have some of the best

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experiences you have ever had in your life because

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everywhere I have traveled, locals are

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so quick to just want to tell you about their lives and want to show you their lives.

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and invite you in for some of the best food experiences you ever had.

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So socially responsible

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essentially, comes down to investing your money,

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spending your money with the local communities out

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side of all inclusive resorts or outside of

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the the well known, you know, tourist centers, things like that.

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It also has to do with giving back to local

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conservation efforts and community projects. So one of the things I think we overlook

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is the fact they

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you can actually be hands on when you're traveling, Right? So you can

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Mhmm.

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work with a local organization to do a beach cleanup up.

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But again, keep in mind, it needs to be run

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by a local operator, not in not a

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larger overseas organization that has thirty

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people on the ground. Right? You wanna work with

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in the local community.

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That is a great

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point, And that actually goes into ...we've actually had a guest

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previously, Kelly now she was talking about how

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he went to Africa, and the person that she had volunteered through is she did a lot of research

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but was realizing that there are actually

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I read an article, and I I can't remember who wrote it, but it's like,

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actually, sometimes when you think you're doing a good thing, it's actually doing a much

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more harm than it is good because I think this particular one was

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these people had no experience building houses as what

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so whatsoever, Like, they they ...but they were helping

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and feeling good, but and thinking that they were spending their time doing these things but then, like, the locals are actually

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Mhmm.

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taking the houses apart. At nighttime,

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and and actually he read redoing the work, which is just so

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What

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it I felt so bad reading that, but that's a really

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point, it's just kind of digging a little bit deeper into the

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the next layer and making sure that

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you know,

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Well, I think, yeah. I think sometimes,

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a lot of times, let's not even say sometimes. I think a lot of times,

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there is this Western superiority mindset, particularly for

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traveling to the global south. Right? A lot of people look at it as if we need to

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Mhmm.

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help. We need to help various people out of poverty. We need to give them everything we have because they

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can't help themselves, which is not true.

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at all.

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Absolutely.

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and that pulls in the example of, you know, going to build houses, and there's nothing wrong with that. There's enough

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thing wrong with helping out the local community. But make sure

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the you're doing what the local community is asking you to do. And

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this is where it comes into to being sensitive to the local culture.

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do your reading? You know, if you read up that

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someone's going to say, oh, no. I want you to take this, and you say no, Thank you They anything. I want you to take

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they know thank you, and you realize you three times, and that's the normal custom exchange.

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Mhmm.

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to do your research because if you sit there and say,

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oh, I wanna I wanna help you build this and they say, okay.

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it just may not be

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you know, it

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it may not be within that culture for them to say no.

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out of polite. Meanwhile, you know, they're they're tearing it apart at night. Right?

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Right.

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So

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it's it's knowing where you're traveling. It's knowing the call

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sure. And it's also understanding

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that you're there to help

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to the best of your ability

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according to that community and

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sometimes the best thing you can do is actually not to help.

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But again,

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Mhmm.

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ask the community

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Sure. Sure. So that's kind of

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Jen has a wonderful question. I'm gonna bring that up. It

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from the the audience. And if you're listening to this, but not here live, we're actually live by

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fireside, which you can actually join through the app in the app store.

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But

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So

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you bring up a really excellent point? Do your reading? Right?

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And so when I in my experience, when I've tried to

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just make sure that I'm

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that

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you know, daddy on my eyes, cross family t sort of doing my due diligence,

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it's really easy to go down a very deep dark rabbit at hole, and I'm like,

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Oh my god.

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Yeah.

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I don't even wanna go, Like,

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I've just ...there's so many implications. Do you have any

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go to resources for people when they're sort of thinking about

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travel planning and just sort of doing that reading so to speak, do you have any favorite?

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websites that you visit or just like any general best practices of what people

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keep in mind when they're doing that research.

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Sure. So

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Yes. I think one of the things we've learned over the

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past year in particular with Covid is to be more thoughtful.

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or hopefully, a lot of people have learned us.

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sustainable travel and living sustainably requires

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thoughtful on a different level. A requires slowing down not to interactions, but in our thoughts

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processes.

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that being said, obviously, we know that trouble is not slowing down. In fact, we've seen an up

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tick once again.

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And

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there are resources out there. It depends on what you're looking for. Right? So

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gl

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is a ...I believe it's a swedish company. There are a booking site where you can

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filter out whether you're looking for the shortest stories

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flight or whether you're looking for a lead certified hotel

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or whether you're looking for public transportation, local cuisine, things like that.

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trip zero offers carbon offsets.

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Oh, yes. Can you just

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explain to the audience, what a carbon off that is because this is something that I just

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kinda recently learned about

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Yes. So carbon offsets are a very big industry right now, specifically in

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the travel and aviation industry.

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a carbon officer is essentially, you were paying someone

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And a lot of times, this is built in to, let's say your the tick the

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dot

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price of your your

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airline ticket. Right? So you don't even necessarily know that you're paying more for it.

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but you're paying someone else too emit less.

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So you're not cutting your carbon emissions

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but you're paying someone else to cut their

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carbon emissions.

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essentially,

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interesting.

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Yes.

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but that's still helpful in the long run.

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Yes. It is. It is

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It all matters.

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it it does. And it does it does slightly differ from carbon

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capture or storage, which is

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you ...so carbon capture might be, like, planting a tree.

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or something like that. Right?

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two very things. One is a trade

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Right? So you're saying I can at this time cut down my personal emissions, but

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someone else out there can. And so we're gonna trade

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Mhmm.

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essentially. And then carbon capture is essentially organizations, and you'll also

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see this in the travel industry where someone says for every

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so many kilometers that you fly, we're gonna plant a tree to help draw a down carbon

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out of the air.

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Oh, nice.

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So it's like a ...yeah. Like, a trade off, but, you know, ultimately, there's

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there's a great outcome

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at the end of everything.

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Your can be. Yes.

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They're can't Carrie.

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or I mean, Like a better outcome than what is happened

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Yes. Yes. Exactly.

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For everybody listening. I actually ...I couldn't find gl

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but I will do my research and find that. And

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This interview actually be transcribed and up on color and curiosity

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dot com. So I'll put all these resources in there, but I did sign trip zero. So

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you had the little fortune cookie. These are really great

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you, do you have any others before we open it up for questions?

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Yes. So another one is off

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sense. So that's a real time carbon tracking with offset ops

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Who,

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and credits. So while you're in a country, like, let's say you're in Madrid,

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Yes. And you're tracking your route

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you can put in ...excuse, you can put in, like,

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oh, I wanna take a bike or maybe I should take a taxi, what

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going to be the more environmentally

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friendly option of traveling, and it will do real time tracking for you.

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And there's there's credit. So for for so many carbon emissions that you

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saved by choosing an environmentally friendly option. You actually get credits

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to your account, which is kinda of cool.

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So, I mean, obviously, all of this is really wonderful, but

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sometimes it's like, you know, people, I think or more app

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to act if they're getting a little bit of incentive. So what can you use those credit for? Do you know?

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To be fair, I

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don't.

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That's that's okay.

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I don't entirely know if there's credits then go towards

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carbon credits or if it's building up with in your account. So I I

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Sure.

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cannot speak with any kind of authority on that whatsoever.

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that is totally okay, but it's so awesome to know that

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some of these things are out there. I had absolutely no idea about

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and just, you know, you're gonna do it anyway, but how

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how can we make it a little bit better? And

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know, I think that this kind of hear back to

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you're in Brian's conversation, and Brian will be having a show later.

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which I am so excited to listen n, but I know you are talking about

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kind in anxiety. And actually, that was also a try here who's in the audience

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And so I wanted to bring that up. It's just, you know,

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it's such a magnitude of an issue. And so

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wondering if maybe you could share a highlight of how

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you know, people in the audience might be able to deal with if they're having a

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time and anxiety, Like, they're trying to play a trip and They're like, oh my gosh.

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now I've done all this research. Like, well, this is a

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And

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Yeah.

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everything's horrible. Everything's on fire. Going down rabbit. Oh,

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how you cope with that? And I think this also kinda goes

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in hand in hannah with it's ...you've

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start small. I'm gonna play

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Yes. Yeah. It it does start small. I think we have to keep in mind that it's

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estimated that only runs three percent of the global population travels if you're government's three or four,

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Mhmm.

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but it's right right there. It's it's a very small percentage. That doesn't mean we

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be aware of our impact we

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absolutely should. Because was it two thousand eighteen, there were

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one point four billion international

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Wow.

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tourist arrivals around the world. I mean, the tourism industry is

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is massive. And the carbon footprint just for aviation is between two and

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three percent of global greenhouse gas emissions or carbon emissions.

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that being said, not being said. Right?

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grace.

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I speak about grace a lot.

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we need to have an understanding and give ourselves grace that most

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people are trying to do the best they can. And so if you want to

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travel

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Go travel.

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Yes.

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you know, do do your research? If you can travel locally, if you

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can take a direct flight over a multi leg flight. If you

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can take public transport. If you can stay within the local

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community and and stay away from all inclusive resorts.

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you know, ask if your food is in season of it's locally

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produce. And, by the way, that's gonna create incredible conversations that are just gonna open up

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so many experiences you wouldn't otherwise experience.

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But?

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give yourself some grace. You're not going to be able to

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conquer at. And the reason for that is because we

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we operate within in global systems

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that are not conducive to a hundred percent sustainability

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they are a long long way off.

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Sure.

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So do you do what you can?

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do what you can and ask questions, like, continuously ask

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questions. I think that is probably the most important thing.

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Well, that sure makes me feel a lot

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better. Know about anybody else, but

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that is something manageable that I think I could probably do

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do my research, do the best of my ability.

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That is excellent advice. Thank you so much.

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kate. We're gonna open up for questions. If anybody has any questions

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since please do you feel free to hop up on stage. If you have any questions that

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sustainable or responsible

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travel, ego tour,

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And jen jail actually had a really great question as we wait for anybody who won't maybe join us.

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So all about traveling like a local she says, but how does one's

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stay like a local hotels tend to be in through areas and, you know, you just mentioned on inclusive

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is. But Aaron b Airbnb cause a lot of strain on housing markets.

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Mhmm.

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question, which I have heard as well.

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Yeah.

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So I think post pandemic, there's been some

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very interesting data

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or serial coming out

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and, obviously, we're not post pandemic Yet. So let's be

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very clear on that one. But right now, there's a lot of talk

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as workers are amazing to moving to more remote

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positions and working from home. I think we're going to see longer

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quote unquote vacations. Right? So this is going to allow individuals to

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spend longer times

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in

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Mhmm.

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certain destinations, which actually the really good thing. So long as individuals aren't jumping around

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Sure.

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found every week every weekend. Right? If you can

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travels in place for a month.

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That's great. And I would I would say go for it and if you can work for one, go for it a hundred percent

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Gene is right in megan two.

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there's a lot of the debate on Airbnb, There are certain cities that

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it has come up and there's been a chance to put

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around it because it's driving up the local

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Mhmm.

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housing markets and it's pricing out

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local. So they

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they can't afford to live in those They're New York Cities one at

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I don't know if is barcelona and number or madrid was another one.

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I would say. So this

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it's a bit tricky. Right? So not all Airbnb b is bad.

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I don't wanna paint with broad brush strokes here.

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Sure.

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there are some organizations that have multiple

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properties on Airbnb Throughout

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popular tourist destinations.

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I would say my personal opinion

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don't book with them.

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If you can find a soul prop proprietary,

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What with them.

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Mhmm.

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you know, one one of my favorite memories was when I was in Iceland,

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I I stayed at a farm cottage, and it was through Airbnb.

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But staying at a farm cottage actually provide that

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farmer a source of income that they otherwise wouldn't have

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had and Airbnb was just a very fluid conduit

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to making that happen and tourism them, I

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think accounts her

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one two percent of Gdpr in Iceland.

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Yes.

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Yeah. It's big.

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but if if you have an alternative

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I would say go with that first if there are

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smaller booking sites or you can go directly towards the individual. I'm just gonna say,

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message boards even on social media, such as Facebook,

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make a world of difference. You will find pages

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of individuals who are promoting their properties who are just individuals

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trying to

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make a difference, make another source of income, obviously, do your checks,

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Mhmm.

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But don't just trust because it's a big organization. It's sound.

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Sure. I love that. And

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it also goes into that sort of idea that you just brought up

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and and then we'll hear from Jail, but I didn't really think about the idea that

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Now that there's a little bit more location fluidity that acts

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I was like, oh, my gosh. Here we go. Yeah. We're gonna have all this problem that's gonna just

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amounts on, you know, on top of itself. But

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don't think somewhere correctly. But mountain on top of itself, but

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is actually likely that perhaps people would be traveling longer

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term therefore, getting to know the local cultures more getting to know the locals more

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where they could support locals

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and that actually might be a good thing.

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So that's a little bit optimism.

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Yeah. Absolutely. I

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honestly, my my best experience is traveling anywhere.

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where when I stayed with local communities, whether that was

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for a week or just for a day, having

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line to the individuals out in the, you know, the jungle and belize.

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and learning how to sew from them or

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found amazed at a women's collective or staying in a local farm

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iceland those memories will stick with me forever.

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I can't tell you about the times I stayed at, like,

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Sorry.

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you know, a hotel in downtown Amsterdam. Like, I can vaguely remember it

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but it doesn't stick.

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Yeah. Absolutely. And that is a perfect segue. And

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To know, thank you for waiting. So patiently, if anybody else has any questions and, Kate, I obviously wanna be very respects

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of your time, and I know you have a show. Brian, or Brian has a show later that

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you also wanna be in. But I'm gonna put you on the spot real quickly. I have a session

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a section called three travel takes. They're just meant to be sure little clips.

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gut reactions off the top of your head, single word answers. So here we go.

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Okay.

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Where was the first place you traveled outside your quote unquote known?

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So whatever you knew, but, like, it was different.

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Oh, I'm gonna say, Mexico.

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Good answer. Where have you traveled that was different?

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from what you expected.

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these are tough. Really tough

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I'm going to say France.

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That's a good answer too. And finally, what is the best thing you've ever brought back from a

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whether it was an idea, an object, a relationship,

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a degree, perhaps.

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Oh, I have too many to name

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friends.

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I love that.

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I ...it is just incredible of the people you meet abroad. It's it's

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really. And in your own backyard too, it's wonderful.

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Well, thank you. This has been so fun to know. Thank you for so much for waiting patiently with us.

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Welcome to the stage. What is your question for Kate?

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Of course. Thank you for having up here, Megan. Thank you, Kate for speaking as well. It's been

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such a pleasure listening saying do you speak on this. I've been learning so much taking so many notes

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like ...And that's I i guess my question is, maybe for both of you,

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is it's kind of this very unique situation? I mean, the pandemic has kinda changed that

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but I would be curious to pick both of your brains on the topic of

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traveling to see family

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Now I am an x from California. I live in New York City.

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so obviously, to see my family, I have to hop on the plane. Otherwise, it's

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a week worth of driving and, like, we have carbon emissions

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and all of that stuff. And do you guys have any suggestions or tips

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or anything you can kinda throw that way. I know I have quite

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friends who are in the same boat, and I just was curious what you guys stopped.

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I'm

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megan, I can offer something if that's okay.

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totally just

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volley all the way over to you.

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So know, I'd say there ...there's a big misconception when it comes to carbon

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for aviation versus road traffic.

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and Road traffic actually contributes way more to carbon

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sense. Right? So as you pointed out, if you're on the road for a week versus,

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What is it six hour flight?

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to la. I think that's what it California.

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Yeah. Pretty much. It it's

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Yeah. To take the flight.

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take take the flight. Just make sure it is a direct

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flight. So most carbon emissions from flying comes from takeoff

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that's the heaviest load. So when you're doing a multi legged journey, your

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contributing more carbon emissions, whereas if you can

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if you can do a direct flight, you had that initial

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emission and that's not to say there aren't emissions throughout the flight, but when you're at a

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cruising altitude, It actually drops compared to your takeoff.

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So direct flight don't feel guilty about it. It's family.

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Really, I had no idea that there was such a different ...I mean,

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I actually thought that

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airplanes emitted much more just to this year

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of their side. So that's a very interesting fact.

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Well, it's so to be fair, it is

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size, but we also have to keep in mind. There's a lot

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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there's a lot on the rhoads. Right? So for cards and

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That's also ...let me add an asterisk next to that. That's taking to account whether it's a

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single driver, you know, whether you have multiple people in the car

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So calculating carbon emissions for transportation gets very, very

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tricky. Even if you're talking about train travel, like, let's say, an electric train, what's

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powering the electric behind it is a clean energy, like wind or solar or is it

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fossil fuel based that's powering

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the electric. So

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calculating carbon emissions for transportation is not

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straightforward, And this is why I say has grace.

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because you're trying to do the best you can.

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Yes. And these ...you know, these these

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resources that you mentioned it certainly can help

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So, again, for anybody listening, who is curious,

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in the Fortune cookie, there are two updates that I was able to find. I will do the rest

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when this interview gets transcribed on color curiosity dot com, but we have chips zero

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and offense, which can help you do a little bit of that figure out which is the better

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passed to travel down, so to speak to

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assist with whatever is

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required in that geographical location that my correct kate

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for the offense at least

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Yes. Correct.

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Cool. Well, that makes me feel a whole lot better.

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I I ...a whole big weight just listed off my chest

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it's like, I just wanna get away from this. Oh, I wanna go travel. I wanna go

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things, but then it's like, not only you, Obviously, we have Covid, and I just wanna put a disclaimer out there. Everybody

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please be safe. Please do not

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travel if you don't absolutely, you know, perhaps you

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have to as relative if you wanna see family or for your mental health

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absolutely do that. But please be safe. Just on

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Yeah. I

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that out there, but it just makes me feel better.

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I would second that if if you are going to realize, you have to travel get your

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vaccine

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Get vaccinated.

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that box sent it in.

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get your vaccine. Yes. Because you're putting local communities at risk.

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Yes.

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and that is the anti of sustainable travel.

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Yes. Absolutely. And you also, you know,

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at the beginning of all of this, I had just actually worked

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wanna visit Idaho on a a project. And so I ...part of my

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responsibility was you get people to go, and I was like, whoa Whoa.

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not right now, They cannot sustain in influx of

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you know, travelers and their their health care system can't either. So it's not only

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Yeah. Just the the resources, you know, putting people at risk where

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Yes.

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you have to go to the grocery surfer for food, but so does everybody else that lives there? So

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that's an excellent point as well. Okay. Thank you so so much. This has been asked

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just ...it makes

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everything seemed a little less daunting. I hope everybody in the audience enjoyed

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Can you share us a little bit more about climate collab, world thread

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traveler, your for anything, your current projects where people can find you and find out more.

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I put your website in the fortune cookie, but

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If you wanna share anything else, please do

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Sure. Thank you so much. Yes. Lot lot of

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projects, lot of hands in different pots.

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So long hill farm, also accidental farmer, as you mentioned, Megan, we

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specialize in historical and earlier Variety. Vegetables

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from around the world, honey and eggs in massive

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she. We keep it very small.

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the world traveler actually just launched as of this

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Woo.

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morning, it was about six months for in the

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in the remakes so it lot relaunch this morning so that'll be

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Oh, what a great time.

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Great. Yes. Great timing. So that'll be new content

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Congratulations.

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Thank you. New content coming there from sustainable fashion to responsible tourism. Ego go

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clean beauty and green living and

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we'll I also do spotlight on change makers around the world.

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And let's see. Climate collab. Yes. So we my

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Brian Barnes and myself holds a weekly

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Friday evening live here on Fireside pod

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past where we discuss the most

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pressing climate change issues, sometimes just the two of us

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we say that Brian covers the science. I cover the social side

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and we also have experts each

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well, frequently as well. And this coming Friday, we have stuff

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Oh

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the Robert Ty to talk about an increased in air pollution of what that means

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for For long health.

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Oh my gosh. I am super excited about that. I

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Colorado is really getting it right now. So

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Yes.

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I ...that's gonna be very insightful. So thank you. Again,

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my gosh. This has been so just full of great resources and

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tips for traveling more responsibly doing the best that you just

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the best that you can

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making sure you do a little bit of research. Try and offset that link you can.

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But overall, I I have absolutely love this conversation

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and so thank you, everybody so much for joining in. This

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will actually be transcribed up on color curiosity dot com.

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So you will be able to read everything

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listen to the audio, also get some of those links to the resources that keep provided.

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Thanks again for tuning in and widening your worldview view here with us on Fireside.

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I your host Megan, You can learn more about wider Worldview view and grab links from our previous

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episodes over at color curiosity dot com or follows us on social media at

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color dot and curiosity or myself, Megan at excited.

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and we let's see you back here next week. Thanks again.

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Thank you, Megan.

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