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Hello, everyone. Welcome to wider Worldview, podcast

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but in the power of travel and how can change the world

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I'm your host Megan. I'm a marketer by day, a passionate travel photographer and journalist, and I can

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fit it in and a lifelong learner, always, and I believe the car of travel can make the world a better place.

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join us for conversations with entrepreneurs, educators, and explorers and given

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fired to tap into travel and get outside your quote unquote comfort known.

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for our nineteenth episode today, I am so excited to introduce you to making and

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sn in a former journalist and Four

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correspondent to digital content creator, kind of advocate and founder of the kind of fact

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a platform to spread kindness globally.

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she's been featured in Bbc, national geographic traveler, having composed

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photos, sister channel, Usa today, pleistocene dot com.

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also worked with Barry Bomb, enterprise, travel, Australia,

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I could name I could

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honestly, probably spend this entire podcast episode talking about maybe

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But today, you're gonna be talking to us about kindness

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and it's car to change the world. Welcome Megan again. How are you?

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Hey, Megan. I'm doing great.

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is so wonderful to be here with you again, and to be

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know, engaging each other in conversation about my favorite

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things, travel and kindness,

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I'm... I'm so thrilled. But I think I... You know, we're just

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you know, speaking quickly about when

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we had connected, and mostly, it was because I was

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so fascinated by your background, and I wanted to learn more and that's

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just what I do. I'm like, hey, can I talk to you?

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but you are so kind... I mean, seriously who you are and

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not a... Not just because you have a platform called pine the fact, but

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you are so willing and gracious to give me your time and

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I loved... I have your interview up on my website calling curiosity, which this distress

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later b along with the audio replay. So I can't wait to get started.

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a quick note before we start for everybody who's joining us in the audience live

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today, if you think someone in your network would like this chat, I am

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heard you to hit that little double line button down in west corner.

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tap the globe. You could share that link and invite anybody to live on any of your favorite

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that forms. And additionally, if anybody, you'd like to ask questions,

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please do you feel free to use the chat right now at any point in time?

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and we will open up the floor for five minutes at the end.

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so that you can ask questions. So, megan again,

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Give.

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I love... I love question. I know... I mean, journalists here. Right? Like, we have questions,

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each

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Oh, I love questions.

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Yes. But before we go to that point,

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can you share a little bit about your background and journey with the audience?

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and evolution of your site to what it is today

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how did you take such a simple idea? Basically be kind

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and turn it into this amazing global force. Did your journalist

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background i have anything to do with.

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at least funny about that is that

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there's this one

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coach that I really like his name is Tom Z. He host people through Grief.

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but he says something along the lines of like, life prepares for life,

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where you end up on this journey or this past that, like you weren't

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expecting, but somehow you pull from your previous experience to be able to

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make that happen, and that's kind of the case for me.

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there never really was, like, oh, I'm gonna set out and this grand

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and I'm gonna get on these media platforms and, like, do all these things.

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it just kind of evolved that way most likely because my background, but

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essentially, I was working

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full time in the journalist for a long time there, I started when I was

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really young. Like, when I was just out of college,

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and I was really feeling at that time like my goal

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and life was to just rock up publication titles and climb that ladder.

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And I really thought when I got to the top of my career that what would we waiting

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for me with that success was a feeling of like, ultimate fulfillment or happiness.

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and then it happened where I got the

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success that I asked aspire to fulfill. I was writing for some of the top

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publications out there, and I just didn't

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feel completely happy. I was doing what I really wanted, but I wasn't

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completely fulfilled, And I I think it was just because I was

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missing something from my life

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that just check that box.

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that has to do with purpose and life, you know?

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I really do love telling stories, but I just had this intuitive feeling like the

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has to be more. You know? And actually, we're random kindness have always been kind of

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regular practice or part of my life, and I

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what I really like about kindness or random of kindness is

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that it goes back to simplicity, and I think that's all you really need in life.

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to find purpose or meaning is really

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going about your day to day and trying to think of ways that you

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can uplift others in simple ways. You don't have to start a big nonprofit. You don't have

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the spear had a colossal movement. You can just remember

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how could I be kinda of someone else? So when I was thinking about

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what is it that I really wanna do that I think is gonna make a difference

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I thought back to that, and I was like, yeah. Kindness has made this big difference in highlight.

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to me, I think that if I were encouraging others to do the same, it could

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really make a difference for them. And then I

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you know, as I said, I have this passion for

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content creation storytelling, and

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really wanted to use those skills, but I had from journaling I'm an order

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to amplify the message and really get some positive

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content into the hands of people because, you know,

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it's... We're no strangers to the idea that what we see in the news every day is just

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really toxic because it's so negative, and it can lead us to have a work

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perspective of the world that it's a dangerous

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place. But, you know, there are great things happening every day. And if we

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are able to recognize me can be the ones that make those great things every day.

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happened even just as simply as being

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time too our neighbors are the people in our life that we can make more time for.

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that is so. I mean, it's such a simple idea. There's

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so many layers that

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I wanna unpack there, first of all, later, I would love to ask, you know,

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making that switch and kind of claiming off of that ladder of

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success that you talked about, which, you know, I think is sort of... It's

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what keeps a lot of people going in the direction that they're going right. And and so

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Yeah.

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I'm actually just gonna start with that. Excuse How how was up?

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are you I'm making, like, that pivot from, you know, that this

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like, perpetual direction that you were heading and then

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kind of going up

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future, like, let me be something that actually fulfill me and and benefits others.

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How is that?

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I don't think that there's a really, like, one word to sum that up because

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I know.

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it was... I love the

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I German,

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as a language because they have these really long complicated words

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to describe complex feelings and emotional states.

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Mhmm.

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So they're probably a working german for that. But for me,

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you know, all I can say was

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part of my story that I'm really open about sharing is

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that, you know, I look with depression and anxiety. And so I was already

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feeling that before the change happened for me, it's not like

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I left my korean journalism and then became depressed. It was, like, I'm already feeling

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experiencing depression and anxiety before that even happened. So

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You know, sometimes I just tend to be someone who bases

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things upon intuition and, like, gut feelings. And I I really had checked that

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box. You know, like, I had gone

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move my whole life to New York City and was

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just like hustling, having coffee with anybody that would have coffee with being the

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time.

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just work in my butt off to climb that ladder and it was exhaust

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stink,

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So by the time I got to the point in my journalism career where I was like, alright, I'm like, writing

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Bbc i've been editor and a writer or with Usa today, like,

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Mhmm.

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it just felt complete. You know? I was, like, there's nowhere else I can go with the

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there's not, like,

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if I get one more publication title, it's not gonna make me feel any better.

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you know, so I knew

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for myself and for my own well being that I really just needed to change

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and I was okay with letting that go. And once I kind of

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like I was sitting in my

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little studio

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my chair one day, and I was like, yeah. I'm kinda ready delay

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let us go and and embark i'm new.

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that's also. I just wanna make it clear that it's not like

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I started the kind of fact that suddenly the money was raining down on me. It acts

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lydia.

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The kind of fact this is just like a completely self funny new

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met I've never really made much money doing it, but it's brought me tremendous

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fulfillment, and it's led to other things. You know so

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I also at that time pivoted my own work from doing

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story telling to then doing, you know, copyright editing

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social media etcetera for brands.

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I

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and and then, you know, doing that on the side and managing the kind fact at the same time.

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I love that. And speaking of, if you if anybody

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listening live in the audience. You can actually click the little fortune cookie

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and you'll get a link to the kind of fact

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the website as well as megan and I hope is okay I put this in here dyno donation

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dot com. So I I put that. I shared that information for people

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if they wanna learn more because I just think what you're doing and, you know,

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and

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the idea because I read a little bit about the impetus for the the

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kind of store, and I will give too much a away, but

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people should absolutely check it out. I I was just so inspired, like,

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because you're right. There is so much despair

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and murder and violence and

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honestly, as a journalist myself,

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I always joke. I was like, the black sheep of the j school.

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Because I hated the news. I wouldn't watch the news. I wouldn't read the news

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because it put me in such a terrible place in my mind. And so I was one

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during

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you know, kindness, and and I love this fact that you are

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sort of amplifying the good rather than focusing on that bad, which

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has, like,

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cycle, psychologically, scientifically typically, it pulls people in and kind of

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it's like a slow emergency remark, like, people can't stop watching and they love, you know,

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people might enjoy the drama. And there's all this you know, these things strip, but kindness

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Mhmm

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such a simple concept, but increasingly it refused how

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harder and harder to see in the world, you know, whether it's getting drowned out by other

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news platforms or just the

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way people are like, I just can't deal with, like other people anywhere.

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I have to know

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you spent time traveling all over the world documenting cultures

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acting as a foreign correspondent,

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can you tell us a little bit about

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know maybe some kindness that you've observed in other places.

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in other cultures

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do you think it's more abundant than here or how does it differ from here?

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Well,

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you know, that's an interesting... That's an interesting question. I think

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really from a sociological standpoint

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what I've observed more than anything is, you know, a country like the United States

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we are a very capitalist individual knee first head culture.

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so having to

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promote kindness and encourage

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people to be kind as a very real thing versus there's other

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cultures that are more communal. They're just by their own nature.

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are more given to they call it pro social behavior and pro

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visual behavior kind of the psychological or sociological term for

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true or kinda so you might think,

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So these other

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countries, you know, a lot in Asia,

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or Asian countries, for example,

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they're more given to engaging and pro social behavior because

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day from the logical standpoint, just function more the

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cohesive are there more cohesive

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cultures that are used to functioning more is like a we versus a me.

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But, you know, I'm biased because I always

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try to find the the best in humanity you know what or where I go. So I just

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focused my attention on the the good things about

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people and the places that I've visited, but it is a really thing that just

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from a cultural standpoint, but there are differences between our

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our cultures and our the different countries of the world and that

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you know, kindness isn't something at least

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for me, then that... It's not something that she happens

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organically necessarily. It's something that I'm

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constantly as, like, my own mindfulness practice.

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I'm calling my own attention to. Because I know it's something that benefit,

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not only the lives of others, but it it's beneficial for my own mental

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health and state of well being.

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Yeah.

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I love that. I also know that you have

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a program, and I'm so sorry because the name is escaping me right now, but it's... Are the kind of challenge?

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That's what. Yeah. So you're

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. But the kind challenge

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you can sign up on my website. It's free. It's

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So there are these happiness studies that have come out of

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harvard, that just look at different areas of your life and how you can

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start to amplify those so that you

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can increase your overall state of. They call it subjective well.

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Yeah.

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Scientific.

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That's the fancy term for happiness. Yeah. And they have these

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Various. So they have these survey essentially that if you wanna

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if you want to

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measure your subjective well hanging or your happiness

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you can use these two surveys that are in that challenge.

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to just measure get a of like, a bit of feedback for where you're currently at.

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in your mood day. And, you know, you would... You would know that

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just by thinking about yourself and how you're generally doing you're like, yeah I'm know it's a lower

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now. But the reason why I included that is part of this

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kindness challenge is because

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you know, if you're like, ugh, you know, if you happen... If you have to

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think about incorporating access kindness into your life and it's difficult

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I'm really encouraging people to take this kind of challenge

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because it can show you how it can be really beneficial because you

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start by taking these happiness surveys.

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from yale, I think, and then you go out and you do some kindness and then you go back

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and take those happiness surveys again after three days so that you can see

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I love it.

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the the impact right? And

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And if not that, I just generally wanna say it that there have

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then plenty of studies out that show this positive

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correlation between

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kindness and your state of subjective well

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because there are a lot of factors

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to Random So kinda specifically

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that help us feel good. Right? So, for example, if we're gonna get into the science, you

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stuff when we get when we see somebody

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let's just say I go up to somebody. I'm like, hey, these flowers you're for you.

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A surprise a stranger of flowers. We see them smile

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and then we get a couple of things out of that one that we smile and return and the

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don't know if you know this or not, but the muscles around your face,

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send bio from your smile up

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to your brain to be like, oh, we're happy right now so that you get this

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rushed that they called the Helpers high because you

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you literally release all of these chemicals in your body to make you feel good. So there's that

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And then also, and I'm saying that's from the perspective of somebody who's who's

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learn to live with depression, you know, when we do something for someone else,

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and we're able to witness

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the difference that it made

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we're able to create essentially evidence

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that shows, like, hey, I did something. That's

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that thing that I did made the difference to someone else,

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Yeah.

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what I do matters, because that's part and parcel.

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hand hand with depression as you can get into these mood states or thought

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patterns, but like, what you do, doesn't matter. But if you start doing random

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so kindness you can start building up

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it's almost like a form of cognitive behavioral therapy because you're

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building up evidence in your mind for yourself of like, hey, what I do matters.

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So let's just say you did six random acts of kindness

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over the course of, like, two weeks, and and they could be really simple.

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like getting someone a compliment. And they're like, oh my god. You just made my day. You know, it's

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then you have evidence you can call upon in your own mind memory to

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remind yourself that you matter what you do matters.

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and maybe in the past, if you're going through a career change,

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if you're going through any other life change, maybe loss, maybe it's divorce,

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these types of things for your feelings of

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well de are really important. Right? Because you're gonna need new evidence

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to yourself that, like,

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that what you do matters?

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It thanks for those flaws, that's actually really nice.

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Oh, my god. Yeah.

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what you did? Yes. More pause. That

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I am just absolutely

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in the science behind that is so

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fascinating and it

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Oh, i got. I'm so very slow out.

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No. Oh my gosh is it.

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Yeah. There's a lot of... There's a lot of really great science that's coming out

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about it. And the reason why

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I have just begun to share

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my own story of depression and anxiety publicly, which is something that I did

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used to do this because the more I've been open about it, the more I've

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come aware the fact that, like, so many people are living with that and struggling with that,

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especially in this time right now where there's so much change and so much impacting us.

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Yeah.

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and, you know, the unfortunate and difficult thing about

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impression is it doesn't fix itself. You know, it's... You really have to create kind of

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a regular practice that you keep up with to create enough upward

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spiral, and I I highly recommend that people make acts of kindness

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Yeah.

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a part of that, you know, which is why i'm I'm such an

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I have

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a kid for this. So

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Love this. I

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Sorry I so exactly like. Please go ahead. I gonna cut yes.

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Okay. Do you love it. It's so fun. I love to be nerdy.

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Yeah.

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I love the nerdy science stuff. It's very cool.

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Absolutely.

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Oh my gosh. So, yeah, I I as soon as you were saying, you know, the muscles in your face actually ten say

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nose up to your brain because I have tried that trick before where I am just

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for I am a brow for, and I think that's in signal. Right.

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It does. Actually, yeah. Sure.

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too, honestly,

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So now I'm gonna try that because I I did, like, pull upon that one.

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time I was like, I have in a bad mood, but I'm gonna just

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Vegas smile, and honestly, it worked

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it worked. He was wild.

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Yeah. I listen to

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stand up comedy a lot... There's a great station on Pandora radio. Anybody listens

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chat because I do. Because I'm in my mid thirties.

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speak.

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there's a hand station that's like stand up comedy.

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That's a stand of comedy station. That's good to you know when you're like, having a bad

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And the other thing that I really love is laughter, yoga,

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I won't explain that. You can look it up on your own, but laughter yoga is good for

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just spontaneously stimulating laughter.

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So, yeah.

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I love that. I'm gonna look it up.

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laughter yoga,

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You'll after yoga.

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air.

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It's great.

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I love that. And then stand up comedy on Pandora,

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Okay. That's is my toolkit. This is great. Well,

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It's important to have have a toolkit kid. It's

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meant so positive mental health doesn't just happen on its own. You know, it's it's

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it does really suck and I can vouch for that that we have to be, like, work so hard to

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feel good. But I mean, think about how much we have on our plates.

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it makes sense.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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So going along with that, you know,

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sometimes the world can feel super overwhelming, sometimes

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I just feel like laying under my bed.

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Yeah.

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gro. Like, honestly, sometimes,

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thing I wanna do is be kind, and I know

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you know, you shared a couple of different things of doing smaller and a Access kindness or

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Do you have any tips for ways that people come just, like,

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overcome that sort of mental

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taxation. Of like, oh, i wanna, like,

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do this thing.

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You mean, compassion fatigue?

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Yeah. Yeah there's another it.

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Science... Yeah. I say like a term for it.

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Nor science.

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Sure. Yeah. Okay. I have so many thoughts on this.

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You didn't know this is gonna get so science did you? I saw thoughts

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I love this so much. Yeah.

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Yeah. I really freaking hate when I see these t shirts,

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and things on Pinterest and Etsy, that's a throw kindness around like confetti,

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it bugs me so much. And here's why I don't actually think that we

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I I'm not even emailing like someone who advocates the kids for kindness. I don't

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think that we should be throwing kindness surround for let can confetti for midi reasons.

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the first being, we really need to respect our own personal boundaries.

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you know,

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And I think to answer answer your question what we really need

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in general as self awareness. So

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Mhmm.

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imagine somebody carries your groceries out to your

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hard for you, and they're in a really bad mood and they are drained and They didn't wanna do it.

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like, you you're not gonna want that person carrying on your groceries to the car.

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but the person that you might be more receptive to as the person that's like,

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does that good deed with glad? So where I'm going with that this

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necessarily is that if you're feeling burnt out, you're going through

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brief, which is the very real thing. You

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might not have the emotional bandwidth or

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mental availability to be there for other people in the way that you really wish you

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could be. And, honestly, that is a hundred percent okay.

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anything. It's... I recommend that because

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it's like you can't be... You can't be kind all the time, like, our the

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way that we are and show up in the world fluctuates

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and you have to be compassionate kind to yourself sometimes and put yourself first.

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because, you know,

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If you do that, you're just gonna show up

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much much better for others, and there is a woman

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my favorite person. Her name is

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doctor Sense reverse I don't know spell her last name

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Mhmm.

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her Doctor Romney, she's actually an expert on narcissism and narcissistic

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abuse and dependency. She has amazing Youtube channel.

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I have definitely bench watched and she is

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it's really important to look at the unhappiness of

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of kindness to really understand

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you know, that if you take time for yourself and draw those boundaries you're not being narcissistic,

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you're practicing self care, and she refers to that as informed kindness.

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Oh,

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So those boundaries are important for your

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self to keep yourself well, mentally emotionally

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physically specifically, but they're also good for maintaining

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healthy relationships with other people. So, you know, it's

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it's just hard for me to say that, unfortunately, not I can't be kinda to everybody

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in the world, but that's

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self empowering thing about kindness and acts of kindness, I think

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And it's a place that I drive my own self esteem and self work from because

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what's really effective about that is you get to choose for yourself, like,

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when you're being kind, who you're being kind to to what

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Mhmm.

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stand in what way, what you're giving, what you're not.

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and you get to define those things for yourself, and that's the informed kindness

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piece there is that, you know, you're gonna come across people

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in your life just as the world and humanity and the way

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things work that, you know, you can't unfortunately extend

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that gift to, and that is a hundred percent okay. And you are the one that

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that just to dictate that, you know, no one else gets to tell you what you

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what you give were, you know, unfortunately, some people might make it out to be that you're not giving

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Mhmm.

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enough. And and I've had that occur, and I've had to do the most

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still work. To deal like hey. You know? Like, sometimes, I'm only

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willing or able to give access this person wanted y z and

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No.

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You know? Not that's not my fault.

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so anyway, that was a tangent. But you know what I mean? It's it's awareness.

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No. That was so... Yeah.

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it's a balance

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and don't store that kindness around like confetti because

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win me one last thing, and then we can move on. But when we we have to say

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also, that when we maintain those boundaries, we're actually teaching other people how to

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treat us with respect. So it might

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seem like say no to someone or not

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giving at a certain time to your life. It might seem like a negative

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thing that it's actually positive because you're holding other

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and yourself accountable for how we all behave. You know?

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Yeah.

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Wow. I am so glad you went on that tangent because I

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I'm excited to share. I'm gonna go let

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doctor Around up, and I will also

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you know, as the transcription is posted on the website, I will be sure to

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share these wonder thank you, for sharing these wonderful resources with us.

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I had no idea that that existed, but it's absolutely true. It's... You know, you

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you can't be

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all things help people, and you can't be happy and kind all the time, and that is

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absolutely one thousand percent

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Of course.

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a million trillion percent. Okay. So thank you for sharing those

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perspectives because I don't think... I don't know that That gets talked about enough. So

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Thank you for

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It really doesn't. And I think that our

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is something that's really misunderstood.

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in our society, especially narcissistic personality disorder. I think people might

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see somebody on the social media on Instagram who has a big following that post pictures of

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themselves a lot and go, oh, that person's a narcissist. And I'm like, no.

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Yeah.

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there's so much more to it, and that's where I think experts like top

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or come in because it is important to understand

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what the characteristic of some characteristics

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of someone who is exhibiting nurse

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specific tendencies is and to

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distinguish between that tradition as a personality to disorder and

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this fact that, you know, what it this is a spectrum and and all the things. So

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Absolutely. Well, I wanna be respectful of your time

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anybody in the audience has any questions for Megan, please do invite yourself up

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to ask them in the meantime, Megan again, I know that you have done

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to kindness all over the world, donate in Thailand voluntary

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to. I know this is probably a loaded question.

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Like, can you share either you most profound

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or or just like a profound or a a happy

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story of or whatever, you know, your favorite experience of

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maybe one of the the... The acts of kindness that you've done

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doesn't even have to be the best or the biggest or anything just

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one that me do smile.

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I already know what it is. So

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Oh, good.

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in my... It my research about kindness, one of

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my favorite things that sociologist talk about is how

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kindness and acts of kindness.

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are kind of this, like, diamond to prejudice.

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and they really can

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help us create a greater sense of tolerance toward others in our lives.

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And so if you

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If you are somebody you or someone you know,

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is discriminating against a group

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that they might not understand the well, they've been studies to find that

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you know, those who have done kind of things

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toward those who they hate actually end up

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adopting or favorable or understanding opinions of others. So

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and wear that not that I'm a hater, but, like, you know, they're definitely best been

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countries that I've traveled to that I maybe haven't understand understood their

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political economic situation and how that affects

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people. And a few years ago, I had gone to myanmar and

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And there... You you can look at the news. There's a lot of stuff

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about their society that is

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a little bit controversial. It's complicated, you know? Because you're putting

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together people of different

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different backgrounds owned different religions under

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under one umbrella. And I didn't honestly even know that much

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about me and Marshall so I went in with a an open mind and I

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I... Well, I was there me and some friends

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a friend had made some donations

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to people buddha Center and

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got to know some of the months that are

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did there. And I just found the people of Myanmar to be

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such warm welcoming curious.

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amazing people, and it's really sad to me that right now, they're

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countries struggling with a a military coup.

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Mhmm.

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and it makes me just think more broadly about other countries, like Gas,

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and, etcetera... That are having these political moments that are

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directly difficult, even though I know that that's an understatement of what's really going on.

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but it makes me really think about the people. You know? I don't think that anybody is new

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is defined by their

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their minority groups are there or political

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Mhmm.

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situation. I know that within a country, like, their

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so many noncitizens, and you just have to think that, you know,

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not everyone and and afghanistan is

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part of the talent or not everybody in Myanmar

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involved with the the military code.

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that is there. They're just like every everyday people that wanna get by that are

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that are doing their best just like us.

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Yeah.

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and the more that you engage in kindness and, like, open your mind,

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you compassion, the more you start to realize just how much

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that we have in common with other

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blonde in another part of the world.

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absolute, like, getting your boots

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on the ground, so to speak of and they're actually getting in rather than observing from

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you know, maybe one angle or another

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That's... Yeah. That's that's really incredible and and very, very, very true.

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it's so incredible when you actually, you know, go through

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getting to know somebody and actually smiling at them, even just even the it's

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smile that can really be a profound

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change to what you had anticipated because

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Mhmm.

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I think a lot of the way the unknown. Right? Like, we don't we don't know.

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I love that so much. Well, thank you, Megan. This has been wonder

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full. And I was when I can share more about

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just where people can find you follow along with your amazing work.

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upcoming projects, anything like that.

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I really appreciate that the probably the easier

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Mhmm.

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way to follow along is on Instagram. It's just at the kind of fact

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or you can go on my website and look there. Otherwise,

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when you go to at the kind of effect on Instagram, you'll also

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that I'm also there as well because I have my own Megan sn account

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Yes.

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So call me beats me page me,

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I love it.

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snail male whatever. But Instagram is best.

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I agree. It's... I... It's on of my favorite platforms.

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Thank you. This has been

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such a wonderful conversation. I absolutely love nerdy out about

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happiness and the science and happiness and altruism and

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big power that kindness surely can have on the world and how a creates empathy

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and all of that. So thank you again, Again, thank you everybody.

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so much for tuning in and widening a worldview with us here. On Fireside. I'm your host i zinc.

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you can learn more about wider worldview and grab links to our previous episodes over at w w w dot

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color dot and that curiosity or me megan in,

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on my on Instagram also, but I'm moderately excited

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but that's a joke because I'm actually very excited.

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Thanks again.

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And I know that our value.

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I i know it's kinda of funny people are like, oh, that's kind of

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awkward

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name I'm like, well, if you looked at my account, you would get it's like a

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joke that

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I don't. But, yeah. It's. I... It just makes people smile. I

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hope, and that's all I care about. So thanks again, megan again, I love this conversation.

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the transfer will be up in the next couple of weeks. So keep an eye out and thanks again, everybody

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did they evening?

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Thank you.

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