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Hello.

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Hello,

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Yes.

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We have

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rocking and rolling.

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even there's lovely.

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technology works.

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And yet another round of

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premature applause. Welcome us to

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Yet. Another studio.

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All kinds of pictures have been

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duck out out from cold storage.

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to describe the the general quicken

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which has been caused by the pandemic

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in pretty much every area of life.

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And an interesting question to consider therefore might be

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just what the world

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educators have

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done to prepare the younger generations for this

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much quicken

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world.

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This is the global

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studio went to answer that question with me is opera Po.

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the founder of fond dot movie.

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a mobile

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remote learning platform used broadly.

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in many African countries in particular, but, of course, available everywhere.

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after when we last spoke,

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the studio a little over a year ago.

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the world, and therefore, of course, its education system

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were bracing for the full impact of the pandemic, but you were

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optimistic about the speed of progress.

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We've now had fourteen months of many trials in many errors

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what have been the main insights

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Yeah. It's is a spicy brow.

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you know, as suppose to people wanting to hear

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to click pleasure to be gonna

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You didn't have you so so.

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where's the device and built service.

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What the word needs is is functional.

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systems that enable people to

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connections communicate with each child

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Speaking of of

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would you mind coming closer to the microphone?

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That's perfect.

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I'm just wondering whether I'm actually

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Okay. That's good. Apparently, I'm not using the

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My heads says microphone not using the the devices micro.

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No problem.

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Oh, good.

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Yeah. So

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to ask a question.

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my reason for being optimistic about how the world and how the learners is of the world will

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cope with

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the impacts of the pen

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is is based on my

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maybe trust in the

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enough human beings.

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in the

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curiosity that we we got born with

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with our to learn new things. So ...and also the fact that as our species

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as animals, we

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excellent survival.

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survive situations where

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other species would not survive. That's the pandemic

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you another example.

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So the learners have fed

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learners and kept on learning.

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schools have been shut down.

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You don't even to live my native country. You know why I have two high school

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so I have two teenagers

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and

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you know, all of a sudden night,

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they just ...you know, when statistics learning.

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Hey, hold I have the last So obviously.

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they

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Google had provided wonderful tools and

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Oh night. They just

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they just became distance learners.

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And quote farewell,

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the teachers themselves also here if let

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cooked fairly well.

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well, over almost overnight,

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sydney administrations and the governments are like,

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came out with this, you know, dudes like this listed like this and then

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it implemented and

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and all work well.

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has worked well.

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from a kind of an administrative perspective

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Meaning that

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kids were giving teaching. But the name we had access institutions that that they just with teaching

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But globally,

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I don't

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I am I'm I'm afraid of

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people think that Covid nineteen is a big thing and Covid nineteen isn't

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a big faith.

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it is

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the education sisters of the world need to change

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very rapidly very so they need to transform. They need to from

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learning facilitator and and coaches

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four individuals.

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and that transformation is

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since it is driven by I pipe

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saves it don't fall far given.

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cool with nineteen.

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touches as

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climate much prices and sustainability issues and how we need to

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how we need to change the way we leave and believe our lives and the planet as individuals in this communities as

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societies.

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We do have a time frame well that twenty thirty years?

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required for that transformation.. Covid nineteen could be seen as a

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like a small blip.

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and it's gone

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a capitalist

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Yeah. I hope that it is seen that

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it is

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what I really don't like about this Coping in nineteen thing is people are seen

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Well let's get back to the normal.

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I should think that ...it just

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new normal is uncertainty and this kind of

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I'm gonna stop my brother here. So that's kind

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I'm positive. Yes. Humanity will survive.

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will humane life on the planet survive. I don't know.

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to the decision makers of the education system transformations,

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to do so And I'm afraid that they are not that the way best They should be.

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Well, if we are to have

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a level planet at all.

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by achieving anything close to the the paris accord limit.

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limits of greenhouse gas emissions are very ideal

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education needs to change.

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since it seems to me

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And I'm sure it seems to hear right now.

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we are nowhere near the right scale of teaching

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skills and a purchase required to achieve those goals.

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Yes. Yes. We we have the great effect

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and it has mobilized a lot of young people, but now what?

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where do They learn the tools? And the mindset required in order to

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prepare

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for this uncertain future you you you speak of

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How's that's a asking question, and I don't have an nasa to that.

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it should be learning those skills from in schools.

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But if you if you look at the gorilla,

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So let's. Let's just

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Remember me, I'm a I'm a guy that defines himself with four

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simple slow fiber and stupid.

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So

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the

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It's over simplifying do the office thing for the this

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complexities and this complex complexities

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within so in in in the universe, let's did not define to simplify some

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So the definition of an education system is

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they are defined skills and goals that individuals who complete

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the educate the education, go through those classes in the education.

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system that they didn't have at the end of that.

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you know, you have to pat whether it's you know. And then we have

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primary as you education we have secondary education with tertiary education. We have all these levels of

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education then you have certain skills, and you're supposed to be doing it.

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And if you look at those skills,

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As people have at the end of over

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or, let's say, high school graduates round the world.

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look at the skills there you look at the skills that we would need

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to survive

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or, actually, like succeed and thrive.

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So it's talking forget about survival. And focus on the positive, you know,

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succeed a thrive.

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as individuals and societal communities in the in the future.

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And let's start with a simple definition of, let's say, the

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took ten skills that world economic forum said

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but they, ...you know, by twenty twenty five, these other the skills that we need to have.

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look at those skills.

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well, you know, they have been taught anywhere.

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critical thinking analysis, ability to draw conclusions

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Oh,

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complex problem solving, self management, all all those things.

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Yes. Exactly. Those are the things. Out

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and then you look at the nation, the national correct you, for example, do

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and, you know, take finland. Well is pretty finland is pretty good.

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If you look at you know, Us,

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now they're they're still discussing with a dinosaur existed or not.

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No this it's ...for the future of Texas or.

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Although, they they agree. They agree that they did exist. It's just a simple matter of

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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placing them in the right right time scale. That's all.

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five thousand years, you know, fifty million years. What's the difference?

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Yeah., that's true. And and ...but you know, it just

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it is those

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If you look at it through the they ...the select

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The economic man or the scientific man. If you if you look in

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to the eyes of an individual who believes in

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you know, real things that are measurable.

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and allows reefs to exist. Those do two things do not

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you know, that they can go using should coexist Because moscow just

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If you looking here you ...you're asking, these people who make these decisions

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about his curriculum in

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in what world do they live in?

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And the bigger question is

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in what would will do they want to live in the future?

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And that is kind of those have the big

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and that's absolutely missing from

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from all discussions and that this kind of what frustrates me

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as someone who has kids and who ...you know, I'm fifty two years old,

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I intend live yet at least yet another fifty two years on this part. I wouldn't not enjoy my life.

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I would like to have a happy life successful. Like I would like to accomplice things

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I would like to have

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a vision.

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I would like to discuss visions with other people, and I look at the

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politicians and especially people

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who develop as the if their jobs develop the education sisters and I'm asking

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What is that vision? Do they have one? I haven't found one.

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Well, it seems that

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around. Lots of places where

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prevailing orthodoxy or or persistent political propaganda busy.

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rendering the

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state education systems more and more, useless as far as

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preparing young people for rapidly unfolding

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uncertain future rather than

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rather than being useful.

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is

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is education getting lost in politics

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or always has done, but now we really kind of are running out of time for those discussions.

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is it getting

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lost in politics to such a degree that it is actually going to indent

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the future of humanity on this little rock in space.

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that's actually.

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I had to be or just honest

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you can be honest, honestly provocative.

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Good

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I'm honest ...I'm not provocative. I'm just honest.

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I you know, Oprah. You know, the the buildings open

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Yes.

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when you go, you know, paris and, you know, proper, you know, you don't to see this bullying, You know, you have this

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beautiful st. High whatever

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Yeah. Yeah. With passion, whatever.

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yeah. Beautiful buildings.

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Wonderful buildings.

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actually quite for

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the majority of the people who listen to music was spotify and

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you youtube and those kinds of please keep tall.

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And this ...I think that the same is going to happen to

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the education system.

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education system is going to it's it's going to remain perfect.

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if it's going to be eva it's going to be cut even more perfect.

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it is gonna be, you know, just like the oprah singers of Today are probably

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definitely

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bits of singers technically, than the ones were who were singing in the opera in the eighteen

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mhmm.

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I'm bitch you all that. I I i'm certain that that

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The average is higher.

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Mhmm.

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Yes. The average is high. The qualities is, but

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Well, just because relevant of it.

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And I ...see ...these are few things.

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most of these

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Also, discussion the around education systems of the world,

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revolves around the. I had a good friend of wonder from who used to

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at always See is now retired.

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he has run statistics division for all we cities these

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So he he was measuring all these things and all we see has this beautiful ps

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Yes. Yes.

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that you probably have heard about the piece results. Yes.

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Yes.

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pizza.

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they're they're they're they're terrific. But how how eleventh are they?

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for the future of humanity they have absolutely relevance.

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Because that meant ...and and and and what I mean by that is

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Peter may relevant for the

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living in the country that belong to the

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But if you look at nations such as nigeria or

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or india where the population growth is in immense.

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think about just think about center Africa.

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we have a population of quite don't white. One point

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one billion today, in twenty years thirty year, it could be three billion for week.

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and those people go societies do not belong to the always

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They don't measure ps

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they should've have. This should never major of Caesar.

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Because p is about measuring how the industrial societies

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k.

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information technologies to sciences and how that transformation has

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happened and and how the

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existing companies and how these existing capital and ownership structures

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how ...how the transformation of the society is saying place? What is happening to pay?

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the ...but the destiny of destiny of his pilot is

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find by the people who do who live in countries who do not

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get measured by peter.

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and those are learner.

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See the thing.

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if a person is

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regardless of whether they go into an education institution.

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or not.

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they learn

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And this is this is this is something that most people miss.

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If you have a kid somewhere,

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in, let's say, Mexico or

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the la just, you know, any of the cities

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you have a key who doesn't go to school.

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for any reason what whatsoever?

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He learns things.

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hello ...and and and if they have access to,

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to technology, They they they use that technology or. So to learn to deal with the situation

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know they go tick things. They go to snap

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they learn things they go to Youtube, they are things.

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they have human

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we and animals we are.

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And that learning takes place outside of the education

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And if you look at the big big successes of

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of so called education technology. I'm not talking about Questionnaire And those because they are just

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replicating the

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Google North kind us lecture based kind approach.

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I'm talking about the Jews and and, you know,

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those that actually gave a new kind of a hit emoji

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to meet the needs of a demographic that was not

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relevant for the development of the education system.

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And

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They were just not being served.

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Yeah. And it will never be because they don't have any money.

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that that's kind of awesome one of the ...one of amazing

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know the majority of these people this entire the majority of the kids don't have any money

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spend on the education on their education.

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that means that they're not an interesting target group for.

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So

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is the gap widening.

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Yes.

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and that's something that should actually be

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it should be each that that

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if if if I were to say, if I could if

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somebody asking you offer what do you wanna be

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you wanna become, I would like to become the the iron

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is like that could iron out all of the polarization on the planet.

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because of polarization just keep on growing.

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If you look at the pandemic, you know, you look at Covid nineteen and the impacts of Covid bouncing on the

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station learning out because you see that

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will of people well of in in will

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stays society, you know, that that they had been better off under these

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circumstances, then then those that are the aren't well.

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And that right that gap needs to be the all those gaps should need to be

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actually sort of like, they shrink instead of coming.

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inclusion

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in a learning system is

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is something that will be needed. With we're currently you know one of projects that it's

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almost the hobby project is we're working with a couple couple of

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one five and one one

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African and African institutional with developing up

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a concept of

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online education and offline education tools and models.

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we are calling, you know, current the the the drop out network.

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because it is the people who have dropped off of and and especially

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getting vary back into the system.

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those are the people that we should focus on. Not the ones who are within this

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...you know, with this people in for example, in a five

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half the of people in the happy most innovators society in the world.

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shining the sky loop.

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we

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anything of everything. Whatever happens to finland doesn't have

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and play a role

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it's role in the testing if you humanity it's very small.

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the four hundred or five hundred or six hundred million next

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children who have born in Africa.

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that they need to be careful.

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How,

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That's a good question.

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lively that ...and that's these are like leaves these out

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kind of we've been able to validate the that

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What works?

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people ...what was why

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what works the mobile device works? The mobile

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concept of extended mobility has revolutionized

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as transform

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many of the existing industries

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games in this remove industry in our music industry, you name it

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communications industry. It's it's the extended

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concept mobility and we just believe that

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we've been able to validate that that is

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you know mobile devices

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is the most

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it's the best mechanism of delivery

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acts is giving access to to learning.

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that's one thing. But other thing is

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technology in itself. And the fact that someone alone learns that you brought for

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me operate. We we learned. Say, it's not in enough

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thing is that we have to

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social component of learning

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where

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the learning of an individual becomes a part of a community

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and the community learns

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the community changes the way it it

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it it pays process of unlearn

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through the individual the process of individual learning.

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and becoming a view fabric vote.

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of of wisdom and at skills

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That's

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that's the challenge.

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and we can

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we we can't expect.

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existing educational system to

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to do that.

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because we don't have the money to be on the schools that we don't have the teachers

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we no do the perfect.

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we don't know the individuals who want to become the teachers

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to become responsible for the transformation

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because the

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again they're unpaid and

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many of the societies, you know, the teachers job as you become a teacher you don't have anything else.

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to do

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It's not the

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the the role of a teacher that we, for example, in finland are in the

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many of the European countries were that teachers Are respected.

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they highly educated that they are

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And like doctors to say,

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They're not exactly paid quite as well as doctors, but

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Yeah.

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at least the perception is is one of of of

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you know, respect to a degree and usefulness. Right?

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Yeah. And teaching is a ...do you I don't

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I. I'm an educator as a

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As I holy, you know, I I I I teach an I coach and

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you know, and start up your bio to burst to door kinds of places where people

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so I calling you, you know, i come here and talk about this and teach

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people these killed. So I it a lot ...it's ...it's like, it's good it's quite a demanding job.

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It's not something that it's not either

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creating code coding is a lot easier.

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It's a

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is constant interaction and successfully interaction with individuals

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especially all we know, it's difficult. You had to be a talk show host.

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And if if I look at sort of like the

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how do I see the number of individuals in this session?

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there there's

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a couple of people in the session, not many.

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has not a big classroom, rather?

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Would you be a good teacher?

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what do you can pay for your days today's job and the kind of the teaching

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and this the skills of the teacher

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who teaches the twenty first century skills

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it's not about breathing in a book. You ...you know, you think ...it's not about

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we plant exercises. It is

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have to become a coach. You need to be able to analyze constantly analyze that the the

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the teachers the pupils that the students that you have

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those that in the members of the community have

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how are they progressing? What are there? You know, abilities is one other weakness

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and and you know, coach that

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and it is demanding job.

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not something that you

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if do it if you just, you know, I go here and work here and do this

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four hours or five hundred days.

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Mhmm.

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Oh, i with It every everyday.

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Yeah.

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forty for forty hours a week at least. Because, of course, let's not enough.

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and and you do it month after month year after year,

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with it within the the the the context of

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individual learning, However, seems to me that there is

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well, it, you know, individual self guided learning certainly,

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seems to be

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a solution to the

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the the the lack of

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organized education in many many places on Earth, but

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How does that work?

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with socialization.

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because for the longest time,

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we've been used to

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learning being something you did with a group of

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other people in a room as you said,

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And socialization is a big part of that setup.

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mm-mm

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kids learn more than reading writing and arithmetic that way. What model

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can you envision that combined socialization and self guides learning?

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If this ...yeah. I

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So it's these wonderful hybrid models that

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we've

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we, for example, having implement created day mechanism where

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we have a

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type of o'clock.

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guide

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to fashion and the classroom guides where

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you know, there's a weekly lesson or i've or any bandwidth where

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people need and they they create something build something together.

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And then

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we during the time between those meetings,

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the the learning but tailor

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delivered using technology. So people, you know, they they take the lessons,

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online

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on their mobile devices when it's suitable for them,

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and then they get together

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and then they build together with those individuals towards goals that are then

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more

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tangible and a more relevant folder

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surrounding communities of vaglio

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can it be done in in groups of three or four people

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they have to all get together and have a full class.

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that could be three or four people. And and luckily, the good thing is that

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with the pandemic, what has happened

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is we have lots of these tools where people actually quite comfortably can

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collaborate

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So you have you have three people there, two people here four people there and they're

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Mhmm.

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they all together get around, for example, using Google classroom or or

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not Zoom because I don't know what Zoom has done with the money they receive but because they haven't done it

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piece of product if i. So I'm looking actually we'll like

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the tools that we've starting to have

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creating collaborative environments where the socializing then takes places

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is something where

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I think the pandemic has actually

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achieved quite a lot because we would we have some pretty nice dual tools.

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have

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tip to to get with.

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Yeah. And ...and a lot ...a lot of them don't

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Yeah.

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don't necessarily cost anything, which is kind of part of.

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part of the

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out of the package.

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just switching ta a little from

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teaching Young Folk to teaching

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ourselves.

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there are any number of reports of there

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clearly indicating that on the job education is also undergoing

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tectonic change.

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and

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companies are certainly spending

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large on executive and staff education.

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What do you see being done right? And what do you see being done?

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shall we say

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in a manner that could be improved.

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You one of the

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I'm nice is the most decent man I ever encountered the way you

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when you

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Thank you, sir. You're humble servant.

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though the way you put your words, say what working with cousin.

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was good and what's the bad?

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Because I mean, saying as we are being being honestly provocative

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I do see an awful lot of

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corporate learning

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packages.

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as, you know, part of one of my many many day jobs

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And a lot of it is simply regurgitation

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of material that was produced some time ago, but people buy people

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have run of the world and you pay your license fee, and then you deliver to

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you know, the thirty or forty you however are many people, and then you go home.

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sarah preparing these people for this uncertain future that

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We are

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walking into, it seems

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a bit

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poor

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You're being offering nice again.. Yes.

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most of it really sucks.

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it's it's it's it's it and it's not just little sacrifice like it's sucks data.

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Major sucking noises.

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Yes.

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Do you have a buck for that? Is there a field to out head?

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So ...yeah know. So

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Yeah. No this is like it. Yes.

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deep suction is.

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Yeah. So so let's start with the

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with

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The oh well economic format. You don't have to believe it word

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from you can use always you can use international labor organization. You can use

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ever

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whatsoever. Any institution that, like,

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looked at the the world ...what they say is

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the world of of work.

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is undergoing.

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a radical transformation.

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Let's thought with a was a definition radical transformation major

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what does that mean? It means old guys

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you gets all

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This is kind of, you know, radical transformation means that you have the old

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is gone.

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out

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out out the door.

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and the new comes. Does not replace

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you know, it's just it's just, you know, it's

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I have the view ...you routes you probably remember this. Is is something that I I

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keep always repeating, you know, because it's not my own wisdom but it's

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is a pro load towards to me by a wise professor from the Us.

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he said,

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are. It's not about making things better.

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it's about making better things.

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making better things. Yes.

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Yes. That's kind of

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that's yes. And so. So w,

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in the latest report say,

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published October November when was it last year?

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fifty percent of current

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workforce needs to be

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we educate it

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over the mix

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three and a half years.

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i've seen i've same figures of for sixty sixty five percent already.

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Yeah.

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Yes. Yes. Guess The ...the thing is

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Yes.

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And we're talking. We are talking single years. We're not talking a decade.

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we're talking, like, right now,

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No. No.

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Yeah.

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Exactly. And that is ...and then you say, and you asking yourself,

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good.

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how is this going to be done?

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Excellent. Yeah.

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Yes.

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And who is in charge of this? Now who's in charge of this is

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And I'm not I'm not blaming when I'm just saying them that in the old world,

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you know, the training facilitated is in an organization where about

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we are using windows

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ninety five. Now next year, we have Windows ninety eight

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we need to do a we

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we need to look of our workforce from Windows ninety five.

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to Windows those nines. It that means

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which it ...which is great if everybody knows windows, but now we're working into

...

the world

...

world where, actually, we don't know what we're going to need. Right?

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Exactly. As that is why,

...

these poor individuals who happen to be working in those

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in the those positions

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Then they're saying, the only be, you know,

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if you get the drunk and and and after the four o'clock in the morning, you know, after the last

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why you know? You asked you know,

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So what is it that your if you don't. Tell you a a

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cheap and you addictive it and you do your job

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with the current approach the current tools that you have

...

all this say is, you know,

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Capita.

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I can't. Yeah.

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Yeah. And and that's it, Period,

...

so they are actually the the corporate training world is in the

...

same position that the education industry is with it.

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nice. The world keeps on unchanged at a constant

...

ever accurate pace, and they don't

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The thing is they do not control the way the world changes.

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the same goes for business, you know, and then for for individuals.

...

If you think of for example, Ibm,

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Oh I'm I said you was microphone because if I don't know that much of

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about five or of back good and I didn't have an Indiana with, but that's also so good.

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So, you know, I understood that they microservices microsoft has, let's say they have a hundred thousand people working for them.

...

after they also employ a couple of million people in corporations that are access

...

like part of the my personal ecosystem.

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And then those once again have suppliers and you know

...

all of a sudden we have like a

...

a hundred million people who need to be wholeheartedly as

...

in what happens if

...

someone somewhere in red, you know, changes their mind about.

...

And how do we do it? Well, you don't do it in classroom trainings. You don't do it.

...

people are already working the office of

...

you can't force them to be, sit somewhere semi us.

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lecture your form. The know I idea you're traveling all the idea of sitting somewhere

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into a video by

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doors truly or ralph or whoever, you know, it's that it doesn't work.

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And

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Well, we know how how difficult it is to get

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Oh,

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six people into a zoom call at the same time.

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so getting getting fifty people into into a conference

...

room I'm to to go go through a an speeding process.

...

that's like a, you know, a higher higher order of difficulty.

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Yes.

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will not work.

...

Yeah.

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So so did that

...

So so that's kind of

...

So they don't think have

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the Corporate world

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is is facing a challenge

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That ...where they I have already lost the back.

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It's just, you know, they just they just need to

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change the way

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the organizations open for me.

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How many are of the worlds

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companies and organizations are dead men walking. You think

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Yay.

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percentage percentage wise. I mean,

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just

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I blew. Actually, I was reading a book ...you know,

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You make ...I'm

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to the whole the ball big audience. I'm telling that you know, I mean?

...

Fascinated about the theory of the

...

different ways of change experience different change theorists.

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diffusion of innovations and, like understanding how technologies can have

...

Yep.

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also, other few things can have an impact on the society.

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how the change happens. And I'm saying that, you know,

...

if you look at if you didn't,, two and a half percent innovators well they out

...

thirteen and five percent is is kind of, you know, the early earlier adapters

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And I'm saying that the rest of them will follow

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So at two point five plus thirteen so

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to around sixteen percent of the companies that exist today

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survive of the best will go. And if I I read a book here the other day. So I read

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taking christmas. You need the one thing. And then there's just one young guy

...

younger guy who wrote this kind of a

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we regenerate there's pilot whatever a book

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And he said that

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all you have to do is like, look at that. That's the

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Yes.

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five hundred down. The and is

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The only confidence being there

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is I think it was too dupont.

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everything else has changed. That's kind of what keeps on happen. And then you have organization

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that will remain an idea of apple

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that I have a an interesting relationship with

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you know, apple is the one organization that I see a

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you know, staying there.

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the other one is kind of facebook.

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and Google problems is of these are

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is would it could become constant?

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in the in the corporate world, but the rest of us

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recommend.

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Goodbye.

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But and and the the pace of change

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is is accelerating. It used to take

...

generation or two for a company to

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grow

...

expand, get on the yes and p five hundred or whatever.

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Fortune five hundred

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and then expand. So to to top point where it was either bought

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or

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broken up or disappeared. Now it takes fifteen years

...

Very so, It'll be down to pen.

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And

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that's something that I

...

I'm still saying that

...

recognize and understanding hey global

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kind of an opportunity window opportunity like in that takes five years.

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takes five years build a product that is good enough to scale.

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and then five years grows so ten to fifteen years,

...

I'm not certain whether that will scale if we're talking about more,

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things that just introducing the new things, like you know,

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search was a new thing, and that's what Google was okay.

...

social working was this new thing and that's what that's why face

...

was so fast. But you know you if you wanna

...

come into to create new category.

...

and the category includes

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it prerequisite it for the introduction of the new country of that

...

that patrick is

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an integration into an existing system.

...

there's that change we will become

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slower. Will be it the slowed down.

...

but

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the winner takes it all

...

thing in the delta visible world,

...

is going to

...

remain a constant or kind of, you know, we we have local players where if they're

...

like they that deeply integrated in the local context like you've beaches

...

in you know, by in in the education space, India,

...

I don't see this scaling to to China with Nigeria.

...

especially like, all of these video based things because

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localizing video is horrible.

...

really and similar as most of the business models especially

...

in the field. You know, they have to be

...

some the business models of highly successful patrick leaders

...

we will always be free you.

...

So, you know, the you as the end users will not pay to use that

...

that will change, you know, search peeled

...

and and then then the the monetization. So so first,

...

those companies that recognize these categories you know, this is a new thing, but

...

do this. This is a window of opportunity. They start building it

...

they you'll do feel bills.

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you know, start getting problem solution kind of a

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the thing

...

and then they should start scaling. The moment they have a

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a good solution

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to a certain pre

...

program problem that exists that it's global, then they i start scaling and worry about

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monetization

...

after that.

...

that's kind of the way things

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we'll keep on going also in the future.

...

on the the the b front.

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And but also these I only need

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I think that this will also happen on the B to b front.

...

I definitely believe that the whole the whole is hope

...

homework well, who needs it? What is it good for?

...

all of the processes could be and can and will be automated.

...

who needs.

...

What we ...why do we need this procurement for? What

...

Ralph. Could you please motivate me?

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Yeah.

...

In the meantime, we keep we keep

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dividing entirely new categories or categories that may

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be not entirely in you, but they have been

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the domain of the chosen fuel for

...

two three.

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link ten released an interesting

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piece of analysis recently, which is demonstrated that

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fifty percent oh they

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drop changes

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into

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the categories of data science

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and artificial intelligence between two thousand fifty

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in twenty twenty. So this is a recent current data.

...

fifty percent of job changes into those categories,

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we're made by professionals from outside of Those fields.

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Of course, they were obvious reasons because

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we have to get these people from somewhere and, you know, data scientists growing trees.

...

it is equally obvious

...

that shifting

...

of the shifting between unrelated occupation is going to increase

...

as occupation day off and new ones

...

you nuance come up

...

who will be training all those people.

...

That it will be.

...

other other other than people, people like you and it's hard to scale up.

...

I like guessing. The

...

famous science science fiction also has this

...

if you go on Youtube and Google,

...

Yeah.

...

I said i what he has he I like as of interview at

...

case with he you these interviews.

...

It was early nineties late eighties, whatever.

...

and then he he

...

he said

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i of the day is that

...

he sees

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you know, that there's a the online education that is available.

...

for everyone. That and the and the good basics will be delivered

...

Mhmm.

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from through that. That's that's that's what

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The basic education system keeps on doing.

...

and it's very successful in this. We have to remember that, you know, remember me around. I'm always a

...

be and the positive guy. The good

...

the

...

we've been huge successful. If you look at sort like that

...

happens literacy is being pushed, you know, There's is great for ...you know,

...

the number of illiterate in the world is sinking very, very

...

rapidly with preparing plenty of you effect.

...

we we have a huge impact on the way the world works.

...

by being able or successfully making people lit.

...

and you read eradicating, this wonderful

...

there's great things happening also use technology.

...

there's a science based solution rep game out of Finland,

...

my friends running, but it's it's come from the house university.

...

and it's actually, like, no prop that's probably.

...

no run kind of a thing in of, you know, at the high, and it's

...

kind of being rolled out by Brazilian government, all those kind like or everyone

...

you know,

...

let's.

...

chrome sort.

...

That's good.

...

the

...

why what you are addressing here on kind of transferable

...

these is are kind of the attracted. These are the how do you teach that? How do you make the

...

future winning attitude kinda of in i, you know,

...

winner is winner is just another loser who gets up one more

...

level. Hold those

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One more time is.

...

Yeah.

...

How do you do that? Who teaches them? Now I believe that I I like I can upset.

...

that

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There is.

...

this

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general.

...

education available to every on the planet of no cost.

...

that's kind of something that we fu. We we we look at the

...

the the library of our courses that we make available to everyone to Five no, you know, it's

...

entrepreneurship because skills

...

to sustain a bit of skills. It's basic life skills

...

those kinds of skills that everyone

...

should be acquire.

...

yeah, Period, and they we'll they must be made available to everyone on the planet

...

at no cost.

...

basic learning and those skills

...

basic skills and principles skills of the course of twenty percent still a success.

...

they had to be ...they are a human right. There a basic human right, Beauty.

...

But then

...

What happens they're thereafter?

...

And that is where Asking was said, he predicted that that

...

what is gonna happen is that

...

we will replicate the system that we have once in place.

...

in the past where there were individual teachers

...

So exists today.

...

If you if I think for up my friend,

...

we're pull paul Kim who is the Cto and and and

...

the of Stanford School of graduate school of education. You know,

...

called kim.

...

he's he's a great teacher. My friend has

...

side of us, you know, he's he's he's he have all and university Finland. You know, I have these

...

revive vo at the Hp institute pots

...

you know, I know these great teachers great educators.

...

And if someone comes to me and says,

...

listen. I have studied, you know, desire thinking

...

under only wine in in personal. I'm like,

...

Okay.

...

Good.

...

Don't have to ask the question.

...

And I think that this are like, the the the the role of the local main source

...

or

...

and local mentors does not mean they had to be physically local, but that they they're special

...

or specific to a certain task.

...

these kinds of

...

guilt. We also had in the past.

...

funny you we're going to use that word.

...

And. Then and I we gonna

...

it's it's not funny because that was the way skills were trans

...

third. So that

...

master to apprentice.

...

Yes.

...

And that model, you know, my family came from from

...

Judy is a thirty year old war from from Germany to

...

sweet sweetest started the first glass factory then, then they can just didn't let start the first blast

...

here. Because they had they were a much glass.

...

and that's kind of

...

the way that was skills word transferred

...

from generation to another generation was actually by

...

the kind of a master apprentice relationship. That point that is happening in the few of

...

i should just look at you know how we nurture the spot.

...

I look at slash. I look at all of the big movements. I look at what audio that's with these

...

thing had all of these, You know,

...

what what the Vcs actually also you what they do is they

...

they guarantee the transfer of skills that are required to succeed in this

...

uncertainty of

...

there's this so called smart money as opposed to just money.

...

Yes.

...

And then ...and and and and that's where we're going. You know, membership

...

and Facebook isn't been stupid. Remember Facebook powder is the most urgent come one of the most detergent companies

...

in the world,

...

they have this. If you go to Facebook, that is men interesting. You can click on this

...

who can advise you about things. This is something local the back

...

you know that that's how we will learn.

...

This is very bar global studio, and

...

This is a place where we

...

wrestle with the big questions. And today big question

...

is how do we make

...

learning modern and with me is, you

...

founder of fans gut moby.

...

a mobile learning

...

environment.

...

as is tradition, I'm going to drag

...

someone up on this stage, and

...

see they say if they accept the invitation.

...

and and in the meantime, in the meantime,

...

coming back to these

...

the skills which are listed as

...

as being

...

existential level skills.

...

by W and and various

...

research organizations and and associations of

...

Ceo and what have you ...all those critical thinking analysis

...

ability to draw conclusions and

...

dealing with complex problem solving complex systems,

...

self management.

...

given that

...

I haven't found

...

a high school.

...

that teaches the teachers these things. Maybe there is one

...

teaches these things.

...

we are at a point where actually, civilization cannot afford

...

for for humans not to have those skills.

...

So

...

other than frenzy, had all your efforts.

...

Who else is actually attempting this at scale?

...

Well, there must be some

...

Oh, dear.

...

The

...

it is actually a

...

friend ralph now that ......what house you ...yeah.

...

you make it statement. Not me. I say it's son.

...

doesn't sound good. There are lots of good people in the industry.

...

we have the open educational of these resources movement oh we are

...

but it hasn't scaled.

...

we have all the wonderful massive of open online course providers

...

and haven't scaled

...

and they all focused on business, and this is kind of where we are

...

Remember like I said that

...

I was I'm actually referring to Marry Research from

...

late nineties only two thousand when was it that she understood there was a media gap.

...

Mhmm

...

how much time people spend

...

you know, on the of webs.

...

and

...

how much how does revenue was being produced? And then

...

Mary Me big being the American investor

...

Yes.

...

puts out puts out an annual, you know,

...

deck of of

...

slides and

...

five hundred pages five via whatever. Yeah.

...

Yeah. And it and every year gets fatter and it is and, and it doesn't get any less interest

...

thing

...

No.

...

So what she did was actually and her claim to fame was the team was the analyst who actually understood

...

or predicted that the webs will

...

will become true and they that media will be transformed.

...

So this was based on the fact that people spend so much

...

time there, and there were so liberal revenues was being produced

...

she just spent that, you know, when people spend that much time day you a, good indication, you know,

...

money will go that way on the media will. And it just ...all you have to do is

...

at the income of, And we all know those graphs. Episode of the income of news

...

papers and and and Tv and so on. So we all know that what happened.

...

oh, it's interesting you google. And that hasn't been.

...

circulated as as extensively is

...

that's Ct

...

City citibank.

...

they had they they published their education

...

report somewhere late last year.

...

And and then like, know that there actually two point five trillion dollar

...

adjective get.

...

And what is it gap means

...

is that

...

people spend

...

half of their time when it comes to learning already in digital tools.

...

yet only around five percent of the revenues in the

...

to go into that damage. So that means that's kind of you know

...

there's a two point five trillion annual

...

i knew two point five trillion

...

standing in gap. That is this, you know, certain to

...

because. So that's one thing the market is there.

...

been analyzed just be recognized.

...

The other thing though is this wonderful company holland I

...

started by. I think different you you

...

you

...

Zealand. What they do is they analyze the education in the

...

and specialty

...

dignity education industry globally, and they have

...

these wonderful and scary grass

...

that show that

...

the

...

all tech industries totally undefined.

...

the the Vc funding that goes into this industry.

...

that is if you ...as ...if I understood it correctly,

...

previously, ralph, You said that

...

The destiny of humanity is defined

...

by how will we fear

...

as humanity in delivering these skills to all of the individuals

...

like right. Was that what they said?

...

it works to that effect

...

and and also, that time is passing as it does.

...

Yes. So so there's urgency there there's a requirement.

...

Well, the Vc is ain't throwing their money in this direction because there is no

...

clear business model because

...

nobody and remember basic human rights education,

...

there's no one actually paying for any any of this.

...

accept the top ten percent. And the top ten percent of the individuals of the

...

are ones that, you know, Christina words for and all these people

...

then I focused the and I'm interested. They might be interested, but then enough

...

focusing on the efforts on this ninety percent of the computers.

...

our focus is on this hundred percent of the humane have people on the planet.

...

And and and that's a bit different.

...

as a huge difference there's no what else who has this approach the scare.

...

It has been it has been demonstrated

...

rated it again and again, that

...

more often than not

...

If you take a

...

an average guy out of an average country in Africa.

...

and an average guy out of an average country in the West call it

...

the

...

indicator,

...

of whether or not this guy or this woman

...

succeeds in life, whatever, whatever we, you know,

...

However, we we define success

...

is

...

where they come from

...

and what opportunities they have been given?

...

how much money the the the parents had or hadn't

...

because

...

humans have potential all across

...

little

...

blue green rock, but that potential is being realized

...

Yeah.

...

only in some places, and that way is not

...

terribly sustainable for for humanity as a how is it?

...

No. No. No.

...

especially as

...

as with the visualization and the globalization and then all of these

...

trans of the transform to form the trend

...

you know, that they are all

...

global.

...

they're not local. And it's ...and that's also why, and that we

...

we should not go into politics, but for example, the current

...

european

...

politics where, you know, people within the European, you know, Just focus

...

the European union itself is like i it's it's my blowing mysterious it's safe balance.

...

the the destiny

...

thing is for everyone

...

in the world. Whether it's an individual or a community or nation's

...

state or a or of a region should understand that the

...

their future is always defined by the seven and half

...

billion others.

...

among themselves.

...

And those seven and half billion others define their future

...

period. It's kind of you know. And whenever you have an issue with, you know, are you right or wrong?

...

and other then you should ...so look at problem and ask

...

Am I we hired inputs to give this

...

solution and I that we're fighting about

...

for example, to ...it's is relevant to live seven and a half billion others

...

and if it isn't, you should stop

...

doing that and focus on something else.

...

they

...

good. Just you pop up again?

...

likewise like likewise always a supplier.

...

What were you?

...

What would you like to to to throw into the pot today?

...

I really love the conversation so far.

...

I completely agree

...

We do too. I I love. I love

...

Yeah. Yeah.

...

I love chatting with him on all of air.

...

Yeah. No, I think I think there is the topic, and that's been

...

talking me far while both personally and professionally, which I think

...

to that. And that's the whole thing around

...

everything or a accreditation

...

let's say I found some way to teach myself

...

the skill

...

Then, obviously, I would want to use that

...

you know, for work or for better my life somehow in a practical way.

...

But how do I

...

because at the moment, it's, you know, like either there's a state accreditation

...

if it's, you know, involving health care or mental health or tax

...

or finance. And so on some some of these things need are regulated,

...

But, you know, let's say I take an accounting class

...

somewhere online.

...

How do I

...

you know, how do we kind of

...

nobody or ...even even locally, like, how do we ever stuff

...

someone has vaglio it in a way that sits into a recruiting process.

...

And I also created a recruiting process

...

Thank you. Thank you.

...

change. So people still you've disagreed as of the degrees ever as a proxy

...

stuff.

...

Yeah.

...

Thank you for tele. I'm covering my next question.

...

Yes. Indeed. What

...

I I I love

...

I love it when we share a brain that's awesome.

...

It's a good thing. Yes. Indeed, What about exams and diplomacy?

...

and certification, how though I prove

...

So employer x that's I actually can do

...

what I say I I can do

...

Yeah. We have been

...

wrestling with this issue ever since

...

we started

...

as flimsy.

...

back in the whatever. So

...

first challenge practical challenge was when the refugees is the asylum seekers,

...

from the middle in the European Union, we were heavily successfully involved creating

...

services for these

...

people to help their help them meet their lives and also integrate the needs the host community

...

and then, educating them further so that when and if they can return, they actually

...

could then build their sinus better. So what what what we did was

...

as clues it has evaluated the ability to provide, you know,

...

skills and then prove also a method of proving that people who

...

know,

...

go through the course text. Learn those skills. Good. We wanted to know what

...

other the skills that could be taught is there a library of skills that we

...

who use and there is

...

So that's one issue. There we go. So like the global definition of one

...

fuels are is doesn't exist.

...

So they're always local. So i'm taking

...

so That's like okay. Good. So there is no global certification system that's challenged.

...

the ...when instead of, like, focusing and starting to cry,

...

around of

...

we we said that okay, let's if we can sort like,

...

have enough users

...

and then this goes, you know, this you or this is ...you

...

everyone who provides online because this the same thing. We can prove

...

that an individual has completed a course.

...

an individual. It has intrinsic motivation or external equation.

...

has motivation in place to complete the courses if you taken the box motivated. Yes.

...

persistent. Yes.

...

and then we can start looking at what are the grains? What are the skills we have

...

tests. We have testing mechanisms. We know Funny you know that there's

...

example, can they read and they think, you know, all those tests up with them. And say, this

...

and give them a grave, and then we can ask them. You know, how you learned? This goes?

...

is that there's there are all kinds of

...

you know, methods and scientifically vaglio sisters to

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so analyze this. And then in the end defect is

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comes to a couple of things. One,

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are you able to validate that the students is the student?

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That's one thing. The other thing is is the content coach

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content be compromised.

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In our case, for example, fu

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can't compromised because we have all the logic on the the back

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And so the such every recession is you unique, and you can't compromise

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you can't copy losing, last provide a

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kind of a thing. So the certificate

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that it has improves this is an individual. We have know your customer process. Not

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obviously not could be enhanced.

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as service why is doing that with

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richness scans and so on and so forth. But, you know, in the end defect,

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someone will always have an opportunity to fake the tests

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fake then ponies

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and show up with force accreditation or certification.

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Well, they they they they probably have a far far greater opportunity to

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so right now,

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Yes.

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but if that opportunity has always existed. We always exist and

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Thank god. Doctors and lawyer and the lawyers

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you know, there's, you know, a certification system for some professions

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is still and hopefully will remain

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very rigid.

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so that we know that, you know, the doctor, the end that you go and visit

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they actually know that what they do.

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But other than that,

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I this there's something we we actually had a webinar night yesterday about the future just give me actually this week.

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public to white paper, About, you know, the the future skills about required the future

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where I can work and people find that front

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from z five

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Dot i dot i slash impacts. There is the white

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so that ...so the white paper actually, like looks at the

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the drivers of change, what other skills going to be in the future.

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the out simple outcome is that the future

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skill

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the work of the future is is life on the learning. That's your

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primary skill. So and that requires to skills

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skills learn

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and the skill to look. And

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my certification is simple, you know, we need to get out of of the

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five year eight year old university education with one

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diploma

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and we need to have industry relevant

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kind of credentials

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that are validated by the provider for example each apple

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If you show me an certificate saying, you're good at customer service in an apples

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saw

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and and there's a reference. And I could call someone or send an email so you know, Join at apple dot

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home

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And I'm like, okay. Good.

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a bit disguise is good.

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And that's kind of

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It ...so certificates for individual

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transform skills or sets of them.

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Yes.

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you ...and this is this is something that you're doing.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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and it's working.

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yes we have lots of people who say, There's this

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right.

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any good, and we're like we're saying, yes. It because it's

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chosen that you have taken this course and you have to learn these skills that you want learn?

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So

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And if they have ...if they have an issue, they can call me and there's an

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up and please find, I can provide the more the credentials they ever want.

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nobody's called me.

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Okay.

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So the the the certification model, it's

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self is is is changing. Or perhaps it is actually maybe

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somehow swinging back towards that model that you were describing a moment

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Yes.

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to go. This master apprentice relationship

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Yes.

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if i if I went to the studio of such and such and spent and

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spent five years are practicing, whatever the trade was or the art.

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And then I could actually say that I spent

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this time learning from that master other masters knew that this guy was

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you know, worth his salt and therefore,

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Yes.

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would at least give me a chance. Right?

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Yeah. Yeah. There's a

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if you look at just, you know, one of the best examples is is there's the dutch

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masters and their painting.

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You know, look and and the schools, you know, you have

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back in the day you had if if you you you you see you see a painting somewhere

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and if you are any at all familiar with our history, you'll definitely be able to

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in. That was for familiar the young who had been taught by this guy.

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this you see the process and you see how life reflection.

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see how their eyes are drawn.

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And, you know, you don't have

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if you see someone painting like that, you don't have to go to them and ask

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excuse me Have you graduated from your ask school?

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Mm-mm

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and

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You don't. And that's kind of the thing.

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it is about ...because in the future, if the this is

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this relates directly back to the corporate training dilemma that we have.

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is as

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Life is about constant change and work is about constant

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change

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then you have to have a desire to learn according to research.

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only twenty six percent of the countries of our world have

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a positive the connotations towards

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continue to learn while being employed.

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it means seventy four percent.

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of the countries of our world.

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do not regard life on learning as a good thing.

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but if you in the future

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want to have

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individuals

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So the success of your the future success of your company is defined by your

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workforce, your teams desire to thirties,

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I'm saying desire because it's about intrinsic motivation and passion

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you have to find people who are passionate about things that they do.

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and in empower enable them to become better at what they're doing.

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without you sitting there and say, you have to become better or more efficient.

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because in this new organizational, you know, pandemic,

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post pandemic world. You don't have an all

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where you can walk around and have carrots and six.

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All you have is carrots.

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And that's that these are the structure

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changes in the optimizations.

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that

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all going to happen. It will be interesting to see what what Apples was gonna happen

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Apple because After one other you know, like I said, you know,

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they have the possibility of becoming a constant

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in the in in this world as as a corporation,

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and and now this saying you have come to the office right three days if we

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sounds like the most stupid thing ever.

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So we we we're seeing, but this is the of the big changes

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find individuals who passionate about who can employ themselves

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in your organization and produce results within your organizations.

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doing thing doing things that they're passionate about.

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because if they're passionate about the things, they will always want to become better.

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and becoming better always means learning

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and and it'll you never get tired up.

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if you like to cook

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You you're you're never saying oh my god. This was the best salad I ever did.

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Or if you're that's kind

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finding. And that means

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that you have to find those individual us from somewhere else.

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as a recruit

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then then from the from the guys who graduate from

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from the universities because

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here, you know, Who comes out of a university?

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is people who haven't found anything that they're good for. So the question is

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are those graduates from those best schools then and they actually

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Are they the from the future,

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and the so called drop out our the future.

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is the question? Actually, this is a good way a new question. I post this book

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was a good question. I think

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I think we should write this down. And we should ...we should return to this.

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before too long. And then maybe

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Maybe indeed, we should look at ways to to to measure this

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over the the next

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next three years, and I suspect there are organizations that

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doing this

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already.

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to close therefore, to close is education, the right

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modern education call

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right kind of education, The most important endeavor for humanity right now,

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this

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unnecessarily, so

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Candy said,

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Let's go to the moon.

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and we went to the moon because we could

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But I see

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we have to with we we stuck

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on this planet.

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Let's make it believable.

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And the only way to get there

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is to unlearn things

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and learn you

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better of things.

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We don't go and like, like, like like you said.

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we're not doing it because it's easy we're doing it because it's hard.

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that because it's hard.

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Yes.

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it's always a pleasure to chat to you

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and we will just so, again before long on the global studio,

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the founder of

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if you and z I. If you haven't seen it,

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check it out because I will ...I will full disclosure our had and

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actually looked at

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you know, your your product for in in, like, two years,

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Oh,

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and I looked at it this morning and thought

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I have been

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they have been spending time on this thing.

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Thank you very much. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your energy, and

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Thank you to our listeners. We will

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catch you next time on the Bro global studio.

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and have a great afternoon.

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Thank you, Ralph. Thank you for inviting me at having me and everyone ...Thank you for the time, and

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go out and do better things.

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the better things not things better.

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Catcher.

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Yeah. Cheers

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Joe.

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