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silent.

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That's a subject tonight.

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that seeming void

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which also gives meaning to what's

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other than silence,

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without silence music becomes k off,

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communication becomes babel and

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personal interactions are reduced to a yelling contest.

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And what can fairly be

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described as a noise

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scented world.

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we can find silence in a diminishing number of domains and circumstances

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Without.

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seeking it out consciously, we become more and more

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involved in the noisy and they endlessly

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diverting

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So

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here on the creative farm fixing

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the shed

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with me.

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is program regular, Ko, well posed

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to understand the the nature and the importance of

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sign is as a as a composer.

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and the musician agent welcome again.

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to the farm.

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Hi Ralph.

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or nice to be back.

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How often are you silent?

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No enough actually in my

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as my friends no and I super deeply hurting on this I

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Come from a family of talk, but

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weirdly, I guess, when I make music is the time that I am so ...I don't

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talk my opinions tend to cease when I'm making music

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some too busy doing that. So

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I guess, in terms of my own personal noise, music does silence me

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which is probably a good thing.

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And

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Yeah. In terms of

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No. My environment. I mean, I don't live

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and I live in the bit of London and so science is something. I mean,

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I I never without a an abundance noise

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accepts of perhaps like a lot people put at the beginning of lot darren,

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there was just these cities where, you know, just absolutely ghost tones

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and and that was truly remarkable.

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that was probably the nearest thing, and that I

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have experienced living in a city to true silence you've know to do still

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loads of noise, millions of people vibrating around in the city.

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But do remember the first time I hit

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music again after that period, and it was incredibly moving

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powerful. I mean, just be there's a a small

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space to live in some musicians on a Sunday morning just

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decided to set and proxy you impromptu performance and and played music

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and have not heard, you know, people playing

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I'm

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just of having had a kind of sort of silence.

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it was

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very powerful.

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yes. Answer your question son. Is something I crave. But then again,

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you know, I think

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you know, it's the same thing of ana chambers which are were

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sights sound is absolutely kept

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I

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two very acoustic processes.

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you can go into these and encourage chambers, and there is literally no reflect

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because actually,

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in

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what makes

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sound ...or our perception sound is actually sound ways

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bounce and off different surfaces.

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creating reflections.

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And that is

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a large component of our perception sound. So in an nano chamber, they kind of

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just stop all noise reflecting.

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So when a sound comes up your mouth, it goes nowhere and just this

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plates into nothing so much immediately. I suppose, that is

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quite an an unnerving experience. I've never been in one

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but I think they're the only place

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that you can actually experience

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Do you know,

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some degree of group pre assignments.

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There was a an elegant if somewhat

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surprising

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experiment run

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at the University of Virginia.

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in twenty and fourteen,

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hundreds of people

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where put

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alone

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one at time into an empty quiet room,

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twenty five percent of women and sixty seven percent of men

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did for electric shocks.

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rather than sitting there quietly alone.

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you think they been locked up there for days on end.

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but the experiment law experiment lasted fifteen minutes

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they people are apparently hooked on incessant diversion.

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Yeah. My true.

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And I think the technology you mean I use

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programs is you know, it's taken out to the ants degree where

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mean, you know, I've I've mentioned a few times, but it's something that I do

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is something I would return to quite like my so

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of music and as organizing itself.

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and, you know, music for me is about

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paying attention. I mean, you know, when I started making

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Well listening to me because a child, you actually have to choose the record that you listen to and need

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take it

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What a concept?

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off the shelf, and you'd put it on the record player and you decide which

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correct Then, you know, you listen to open over again each time you choose to take the needle back in this and start record again.

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you compare that to now where, you know, you have this endless

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you know, stream of music may major label owned

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in intellectual property, which people can just, you know,

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and listen to most of what they know, and then the algorithms will then

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seat and things that don't know. And

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you know, there's is no ...when I've sat and I don't you spoke

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when I'm sat with people do listen to it.

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it it it just seems that it's that lack of attention to the music.

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I mean, I'm probably doing a lot of people

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a lot of injustice here And I'm sure there's people that use spot a million ways, but, you know,

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is the culture of it is is is meant to

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this seems you know, playlists be

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a backdrop.

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to something else.

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Yeah.

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don't just have to do with

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something

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like a cocktail of laziness and tension.

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and maybe just outsourcing are

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choices

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cultural choices.

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But, you know, we ...is this be like we do with the banks and money

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you, we give them to

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we give our energy money or in

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sport case. You know, we give our all rule

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entertainment to monopoly platforms.

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you know, and and the diversity, which

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is really what answering should be about? This should be a

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you know, a healthy

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a healthy ecosystem of diverse

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things that you can listen to and of course, sparks like relationship market gives you that sense.

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of endless choice. But

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in the process of giving you this fake choice, It takes away a lot of

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potent things rich, you know, back to the of silence.

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and being mindful and concentration and having that

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relationship with sound that involves

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a degree of awareness and being with it.

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and and and conscious choice for it.

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Yeah. You know, sound

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is really passed and

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is something that you experience

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and focus. And I mean, I think same is

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for me, is near meditation as

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most things that I've experienced. I mean,

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you know, when this certain piece of music across and listening to people playing in the room and I'm

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hope we'd have repo of music as it's played and

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I mean, also sometimes not, but, you know,

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and I just find it a deeply transformative thing and you know, it's it's not

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necessarily that that is

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is the flip of silent because I think if you could be be present with noise,

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I think it's easier to

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have no noise.

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because it's actually being able to just be with what is and obviously sound

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is

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very

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you know, developing and

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and, you know, it does have that ability sort be very well encompassing.

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Commerce

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son got to

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Yeah.

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of course,

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which is why I back to your point that, you know, people don't like it.

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Congress evidently hate silence

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down to the literal, the music corporation

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came into being in nineteen forty nine.

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and it's

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Express purpose was to fill shops and

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offices and, yes. Elevators

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with this name

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Music zach.

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hence the term

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which was sold as music

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And somehow somehow, it's

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provided are

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or

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spaces to such as degree that

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accident, we

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often, do not notice it.

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which is in itself interesting.

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maybe ...a weird had example, but I have a

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a physiological reaction to

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crap music. And I just have to get up and leave

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because it just makes me feel very

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Well,

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Well.

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but it seems to be

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everywhere.

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in the world brim with such

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such

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sounds overflowing with all manner of sounds

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he's silent therefore, not the most perfect of beautiful oral

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experiences.

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Yeah. I mean, interesting thing you saying about

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The music app could just return into that

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point. I mean, I've think, you know, I've noticed over for lot down just be a

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a resurgence in a kind of new age ambient music

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particularly some stuff coming out your japan in the eighties is

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prior to the financial collapse that happening

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towards the end of the ages in Japan.

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and there was so much money not around in Japan, and it was such a high consumer culture.

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that musicians were paid to

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you know, make music for shops, but it was literally ...they would

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you know, is the beginning of tailoring trying to you know behavior

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Mhmm.

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economics where you actually, you know, make sound that

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is meant to make you buy something

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particularly in that shop And if they want you to buy

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you know, I can't for example, basis a that day literally Stands

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signing all the items in the shot.

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and using sound and piping the ads

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so it's not just as music it's actually meant to

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you know, inform your decisions or what you buy. And it's really fascinating in the the

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some of the younger trends seem to be

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about this music at the moment, you was just document on

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on Bbc about it on the radio other day. And

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Yeah. I mean, I think this last silence

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is

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is ...I mean, it's to do with this whole message living sixties.

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And, you know, if you live in a city, you know, pretty much in seven seventies.

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we had the beginners of this economic system,

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it it's a it's a culture consumption, which means that

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plant and seizures are

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are streets or indoor spaces

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with shot shop moles, and

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somehow,

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music

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is become a can't point.

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to that experience.

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And not in the nineties, obviously, advertising became an art form in itself.

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and music

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start being used to sal advertising. Whereas before the nineties,

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musicians have really put the music. There was enough money to be made from selling records.

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that it wasn't

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something people did, and it was always seen as a bit nasty, but he's creeping

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you know, modification of music, which eventually is led to

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like sad music a bit like,

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all the big corporations. They buy smaller

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pressures until there's only one fat corporation left moment

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three fat corporations who were in most of the world music.

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And

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Yeah. I think, you know, I always seem to go into these click structural and economic

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things I'm we're trying to talk about something

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and it's pleasant science.

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But this this idea of of

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of silence being political is not exactly new. I mean,

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we can if we only if we only go back as far as the fifties,

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and john Cages

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four minutes thirty three seconds, which does get mentioned about every third program.

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here. I mean,

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it's a composition in three movements.

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it was first performed in woodstock.

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Yes. That would woodstock

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and it was composed as a reaction to the growing noise

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in in America's cities and that, of course, shocked people

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imagine having to listen to silence, what a concept?

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And that was

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you know, that was in the fifties. Now we are.

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and twenty twenty one,

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and we seem to be struggling with the same idea only worse.

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we just

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what

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I think he was also looking at it as

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as a as coming out this study of example and

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it's the idea of

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being present

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again, and so, he was

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saying that ...just because this someone not playing the piano in front of you, does

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mean that there's not music going on around.

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Mm-mm

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Not so much listening to nothing, but listening to everything.

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Yeah. Listen to everything. And obviously, I think I said last week, you know,

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when you live in a city, i think a lot of your nervous systems, you use a lot of energy

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phil sound from your nervous system.

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You know? Because there is a

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ton of noise and vibrations and frequencies. I mean,

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think I, you know, street near where I live.

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when I first to record a violin a few years ago, you know, I could just hear.

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this constant sound of the

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the ties on the under on the rhoads. You know, the microphone

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pick up that vibration because it's only nine

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couple hundred meters away in the sand travels. You know, just since sound travels.

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I mean, Sand travels as well, like,

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further in dancing material. So

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for example, in the oceans, was well so and stuff last week.

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it can travel for, like, ten miles.

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because of the density of the

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of water and the salt in the water. It it kind of gets

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is carried through the density further.

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but it's it's. I mean, nothing

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I mean, one of the things that I think is starting to happen

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the is a positive is

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there is, you know, we we live in very visually oriented. It's the

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cities. Yeah it's very visually oriented the environments live cities.

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and this very little attention plates and

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you know, we've got some point where saying is something you put in at home

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what you cooking in or are you doing something else? Or you can put up your headphones while you

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you don't really connect what's going on in the city as you go to mate to be. But the actual

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how you design the sound within open spaces.

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There's a lot of artists.

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you are

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thinking and happy think about these things to quite.

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And I think

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you know,

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ultimately, though, it's about well being and it's about

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things that maybe have less of a

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a monetary return

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whereas an advertise order or a jingle,

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you know, obviously, is meant to elicit the response, which

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makes you do something usually parting with money.

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And if you design open spaces, so, for example,

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you know, there is

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Yeah. The the the evan spaces is. I mean, I'm buildings

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you know, so the buildings don't have horrible

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resonance standing frequencies, these massive

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you know, towers i you around the city run and the god knows what the sounds like

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notes, that probably not pleasant. And you know, these

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just you know, every

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Well, it's not exactly like the

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pulse is it

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Yeah. But then I speak

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big reverb eternity, the reverb of alternative, which is you know,

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you what they were going for when they when they created those spaces,

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Yeah. But you know, I think there's the lot of

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lot of potential to use folks on sand.

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and how it impacts on

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Well being, I mean, for example, I know the certain frequencies

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elicit, you know, they're starting to realize that

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the entity in a urban environment certain frequencies. Do you

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lead to the potential for certain diseases.

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like heart conditions.

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you know, And it's it's an early ...well, it's not there's a lot of academic research on it.

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and

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So your body struggles against a

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particular

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oral frequency and that struggle

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I thinking it

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start, you know, turns into a disease.

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I think it's the regular regular of

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the signs. And the also I mean,

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also the way that

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I mean, everyone knows what it's like, when you walk through an environment where people are like,

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saw in away a piece of metal putting up a new building.

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which is assigned that, like,

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you, twenty years ago in London, I I just never really noticed and it is pretty much

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the soundtrack tracks you life in London.

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other than cars

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and, you know, now again, got people and I at so

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quite nice going past on bikes playing music to everyone as a go passed.

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probably people have that in all cities, but there's a lot in London,

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after since slot. But, yeah. The sounded construction work, which is

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unpleasant, and it gets your get

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get you a slightly generalized steps you on edge.

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And I think there's a lot of these

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it sounds to interrupt sleep as well. I think. So, you know,

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I live again in the of London known on Saturday day night round here.

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we get sleep and interrupted into quite

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heavily. And ...yeah, you don't always feel great on Sunday more. And so

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I mean, the

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maybe it maybe we should be ...we should be sponsored by

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I don't know a corporation that that makes noise canceling how to fun at least.

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know,

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Yeah plus.

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which I find particularly useful. There is a wonderful film just by the way of nothing

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there's a wonderful film.

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So it's sort of know about fifteen years old now, maybe

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with Tim Robbins, It's called noise. I don't know if you

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if you guys have had seen it, but it is rather

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rather fabulous, and it's about a guy in New York City who gets

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so mad

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at what's going on?

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he starts to take vigilante action against

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noisy things. It sounds marvelous.

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coming back to the idea of listening to

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to silence. Marina who is not known to be a

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wielding wall.

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for her seven fifth birthday,

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She sat in silence at the Go home.

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for seventeen minutes.

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people walked out of the original four minutes, thirty three seconds.

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halfway way through the performance.

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you can imagine the the tension at the end of the seventeen minutes

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at the end of it, she rang at gone.

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And that was it.

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an elegant

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demonstration I thought of how

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how silence

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equip us

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with an appreciation for patience, I think,

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are we in danger of losing patience as much as we

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are in danger of losing silence.

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You. I mean, that thing every everyone is I stimulated. I mean, it's not just

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sound, but

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you know, is ...we we're visually overload on screens perhaps.

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an obvious point with

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you know, preponderance of screens in our daily life.

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I think, yeah. You know, people are

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I noticed in London, and there's just people do seem quite

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sense. But then

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this there's, you know, like many plate functions of the world. There is many good reasons to be

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it's not a an unnatural response to the environment that people are

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currently find themselves in then the people that are

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are kind of in charge of supposedly making situations better.

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but I think, generally, you know,

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I'm trying to experiment with this

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a bit myself.

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just to

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and just to have less of everything, you know, I mean, to

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just to sort of ...yeah. Have more of nothing in your day.

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I mean, i think when

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the last year has been really a mixture of

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distraction and

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information overload and

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coming in out this

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period into god knows what's gonna happen next.

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I do feel I wanna kind of un un unconsciously things and, like, make the decks

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just a little bit less

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overlay which stuff. And I think a lot of the things that we

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you know, spot ...if now use both, by goes away, of

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be it's very hard when they've worked so hard to build up

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that meant my users and it's a great technology in in many ways. You know, to

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read to music. So I'm not

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my sound come hundred percent profile, just probably eighty percent and spotify.

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if you can quantify that,

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Yeah. I'm being. Yeah. Makes

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Oh,

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But I mean, I think. Yeah. Sorry.

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this is this is the creative form. So so let's let's take a swing swing back at

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at primary

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primary.

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area of interest and that is creating

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up. If I may just that

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very quickly read

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from in the marina which is

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rules for for for for life of rules for artists doesn't really matter.

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The good rules.

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This is what she has to say about silence and the artist.

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has to understand silence.

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an artist has to create a space for silence.

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to enter his work.

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silence is like an island in the middle of

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a turbulent ocean

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And then she repeats that last

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statement three times.

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How does silence figure in

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film or specifically in film music

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for you, how do you work with silence?

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I mean, I think, you know, a bit like,

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world we live in from suffers from the same problems it it loads

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are senses we've signed. And, you know, obviously in the last

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that I've met fifteen to twenty years or maybe post the blockbuster the phenomenon of the late.

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seventies, you know, music and film become more like roller

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right and obsolete nice.

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have, you know, sound is is meant to lift

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as much a physical response as an emotional response.

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you know the kind of noise is that it's she might ...you know, kind of

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dim

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they emphasize the the dramatic, you know,

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pace and know of the films as much as else.

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but it's almost underlined it's like, underlying and words and

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big fit.

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heavy black mark and all the time, you know, it just ...it feels to me

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things that just done.

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This is silence written written

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Yeah. Reading capitalism.

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written in capital letters, something

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something bold. Like, I don't know. Now and

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Just in case you

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you know, gonna met idea.

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Hey Heavy.

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condensed, you know, that sort of thing is, like, this is silent now. Right?

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Yeah.

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Mean, that's why you ...I mean, my favorite films, which is this

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with generally are

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I mean, my favorite use of music confirms is

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films that have very little music, which is someone who writes music the film is

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probably a bit of a

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control thing to say, But ...I mean, usually, what it is is with

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well but it's exactly the same thing as as a as a good chef really.

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wanting a really perfect omelet for four for breakfast.

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nothing else. You know?

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Yeah. There's you need

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a few ingredients and and, you know,

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things do not need to be

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over cooks or over, you know, eggs, and

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Mhmm

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So I think

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I mean, music. I mean, I think, again, you know, a lot of what we hear in some music

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is hyper real and that language which came from advertising.

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it was the language of, you know,

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those big boys, you know, and

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all those kind of noises that advertising

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seem to use just again as as matching up

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you know, the

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response to these products using sound

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as a means. You know

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Response to people. And so matter is big and bold and

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stupid as possible.

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And I think there's that this there's a big big

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sort of like transfer system those ideas that ten for music.

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I mean, that there's such a variety of

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music is a danger for me, you know, to tour like this.

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But, you know, I

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For every example,

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pro you can have ...you know, another

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plenty do of have examples, against. Right?

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sorry. I missed that. Some examples of

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Every for every example,

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that that is proud your argument. You can have plenty of

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Yeah.

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examples that that ramp counter

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Yeah. I'm not yeah.

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But, I guess that's the point of of having a

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quiet conversation.

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Yeah. I think

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a quite conversation is

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where you are ...yeah. Listening to each whichever, I guess.

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and

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points can be hurt.

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and

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in music, I think,, you know, there's too much

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are very need to back people.

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a bit like a non quite conversation.

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doesn't buy people as an exchange. And Always always find with music that

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The best music. I mean, the thing that I

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try to do and the computers that I like, other people might not like just music it, but

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they run parallel to the meat to the film. So there's a there's like

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space between the film and the music where the

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audience, the watcher, the listener can, you know, imaginative position themselves

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and it's a place that doesn't give you

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straightforward

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responses to follow. It just ...so here you go. Here's this and

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the pictures another thing. What do you think? And for me, that's

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So it's not a literal carry over.

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Nice this

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from from from the visual.

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If like conversation, you're actually saying, I would like you

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to use your imagination to come and join

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but we're not gonna lead you. We want to

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be interested in what you think and what you bring to this. I mean, it's just this crazy imaginative to

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space is someone to actually invest their own time. And I think

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You, Know

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it it it's it's it's difficult. I mean, you know, we we living words where people's attention

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some sets me today

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Gen z people don't book mark things. Again, this could be totally wrong.

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you know, these big certifications.

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I'm sure on accurate, I'm understand. But

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as in on on the web,

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Yeah. The idea that, you know,

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we you go back something because you find it interested. No. Now. It's like it's

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is gone once you if past you and and

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it you it doesn't ...I mean, I don't even know how

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you know, people sort of like maneuver through these

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you know, daughter

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worlds and where it takes them in how they. I mean, I find it difficult. I I don't know I have a very

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strange wave

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of doing it, which is probably very different to other other generations Than,

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Yeah. So I mean, I think

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anyway,

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Yes. Well, if are if there are any Gene z,

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in the audience, it would be a really interesting

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idea, I think to have your

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take on the

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on

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our relationship to silence.

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and slowness. When not talking about slowness today or tonight.

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We we'll talk about slowness before too.

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But somehow they are related. And even if even if you not,

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Gen z,

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and would like to throw something into the pod

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please by rings.

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raise your hand, and let's have a ...let's have a chat

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there seemed to be different kinds of silence.

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Some

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kind of the kind of mint

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to

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Not so much mean the absence of sound as the presence of something else.

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I mean, every major religion, for instance, incorporates some kind of

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relationship with silence as part of their practice.

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which is kind of an interesting observation if you if you think about it, if you consider

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tele and in all of it.

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enthusiasm for noise and verbiage, but but I digress

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is silence thing. They

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Perhaps ultimate realization

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of the numerous. Can we realize

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the new without silence should silence be the starting point.

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for the creation of a pre appreciation of anything of value.

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if we carry that,

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far enough.

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Yeah. I mean, I think

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silence in many traditions Western Eastern was

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pod psychic practices that

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I guess,

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back to the idea, how we, know as

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as a

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as a speak seem to be losing our ability set with ourselves. We

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have

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university of Virginia experiment,

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Yeah. Where I prepared never

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rather and

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the ...the religious practices rubbish

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pride in Christian traditional or meditation and

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more eastern traditions are, I guess, attempts to

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let

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all the noise and the voices within subscribers, At least,

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head voices and then stop

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paying attention to them.

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or at least

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stop acting on what the voices say, you know? So just again, it's not accepting

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stuff. But weirdly by being

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quiet. It doesn't mean that

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you are in a study of

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empty blessed. I think, you know, a lot of these traditions

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is quite opposite. And I think maybe it takes a long time before things actually do get quiet.

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blessing think eventually, that place seems to be

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something that's both productive for humans.

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somewhere between half an hour and twenty years, perhaps

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idea. It ...I mean, you see

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I had ...I was listening to British mount yesterday, and then it's just deserve an embodied

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sense of what he's done and how is that review

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speak larger than anything and yeah. I it's just

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the rep repetition of doing

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some of these practices

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to have side can be

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did you say new minutes or limits minutes or

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Numerous.

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numerous. I thought it was.

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we don't use that word enough. I don't ...I don't think

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It's a very, very nice word. It's true.

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Leo, Lily. Good evening. Welcome.

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Leo, what what have you got to what

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throw into the pot tonight.

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Good evening.

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I was wondering patrick

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Hi.

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Mhmm.

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I was wondering, particularly as as you you guys were talking about

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down. It felt like

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I used to think earlier of that

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that music the way we experience, it now is a massive privilege.

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Because

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just, you know, before,

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You would have only been able to hear music if someone was

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standing next to you making that music.

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which

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I guess, would have been quite affordable for people

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And during Lockdown, it felt like silence with

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kind of the ultimate privilege possibly together with

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space. So, you know, you would have enough

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space in or enough

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resources in in a place like

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London to be somewhere where it's actually silent and where you wouldn't have, you know, people

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around you and so on. Is it kind of have we gone from

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music being

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that people were really happy up

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that they could find that finally, everybody could

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half whenever and wherever they wanted to silence speak your thing.

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I've I'm probably not the right person to us

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because I have a very, very weird attitude to life altogether, and that is

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all the rest of life is merely

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That's why we love you.

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support, thank you support architecture reform music.

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And if I've if I've retained any kind of

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senate that you over the last eighteen months say is because of

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there's four thousand disks of plastic and vinyl lining

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you know, the walls of my living room,

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So let's perhaps throw this to to Adrian and and

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I'm sure.

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lily, if you if you want to ...if you want to take pick up that subject,

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Oh, maybe something else.

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Well, I've always got silence more than others.

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mhmm.

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Let, please. Let me be silent.

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Mhmm

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and it's noted earlier with film and, you know, adrenaline and type constant,

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like, for me, it's overwhelming. I can't watch those stones. The

...

sound and it even the visual, like, for instance today,

...

I'm testing a cloud gaming platform, and I'm actually enjoying

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of that music, you know, with the games,

...

but it's also overwhelming. So I need to adjust

...

to that. And it's Like a noted earlier on child,

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for me, sometimes if I'm ...like, I don't

...

I have my on the heart rhythm and

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irregular and even dripping water. Like, if I'm in a kind of acute

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day where I need to manage

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the situation even like, you know, if water at the faucet is leaking to

...

water.

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it it affects my heart. Right? So I think, you know,

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And so, you know, I just speak a lot of assignments and with my,

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But in every way, that sound just the impact, and

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you know, just have some ...you know, things know with a pandemic or you know, just

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a little different. Okay.

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So just sorry, interacting a few

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unbox there is the gentlemen

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Thank you.

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Not. I don't not at all. This is what we're here.

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injections are most welcome.

...

Yeah. This ...you know, it's it's is it is a complicated relationship

...

and and I can I I absolutely feel you.

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this this, you know, the dripping tap

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phenomenon. You know, I I I

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cannot tolerate them. They just drive me now, of course.

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Right. Then.

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I don't have any in my house therefore. But, you know, if

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if one should should put in an appearance

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Oh, no no. I was going

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it will get fixed.

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Chris smart.

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say with the pandemic, you know, there's

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adrian, they they get

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Sorry. Let me go on.

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just ...you know ...I haven't had as many people, you know, come into the house

...

as, you know, generally would. So just like an noise like

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you're just ...you're just that much more aware of it, Of course. You know, if there's a

...

if the aren't the usual

...

distractions that that

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seemed to film most of the

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Most of our days,

...

one thing that

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I I'd like to I'd like to touch on is is listening.

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Because, of course,

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the concentration of

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Listeners attention, be at for minutes, thirty three seconds or or a

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you know, marina reaches just seventeen minutes. It's

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all about listening, and

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I was reading earlier today about Pauline oliver vera.

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who is not anywhere nearly as

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well known as she should be.

...

she's just recently going to live

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the great concert hole in the sky.

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and she was a great composer and unusual, an accordion

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a very musician. She coined the fries deep listening. That is where it comes

...

room

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as a result of visiting a deep cabin

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And and a lot of her work

...

indeed

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force the listener two

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Well,

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listen attentive.

...

we can't have listening without silence, but

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somehow much of the time

...

we purposely surround ourselves with

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content activity buzz

...

So is the next question?

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Oh,

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are we actually afraid to listen.

...

are we afraid to listen for fear?

...

Yeah. I think it's just debates.

...

of what we might hear if we do.

...

I think so much of

...

Western music maybe be in the recorded era.

...

is

...

Wow, there's so many different uses, but it's

...

you know, the music generally has been

...

you, because and it's screen about

...

movement and this very lips

...

until ambient music came along.

...

you know, Priming i was ready

...

making some of these concepts you're talking about, like, putting on your errors to John Cage, you know, he's

...

just trip those and applied in on remote cop.

...

from a pop, you know, arena.

...

So

...

you know, history. And and Obviously lot that regional music.

...

post

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forty fifties came out back for American music.

...

I I they had different

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social reasons for existing came from different

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times that have different social functions and

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we kind of simulated it.

...

and

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sent in entrance entertainment, and some of that music is incredible.

...

But I think, you know, was definitely

...

we are in this in a different age I wear

...

you know, I mean, cage says that we have now entered

...

the ocean of sound and parasites paraphrase and slightly but

...

The idea that signed is just this so of signed

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that is now pouring down through different rivers and all kind of merges

...

in this big ocean, which is

...

You know,

...

something and and how you so people's relationship

...

sound is different. What they expect from sound is different.

...

you know, we don't have

...

the rich

...

you know, uses of music that a lot of music came from originally.

...

society is really

...

Sorry.

...

Good someone.

...

Can I ask you something about that?

...

Yeah.

...

I'm really curious.

...

hopefully, you guys know a little bit more about that.

...

Gossip.

...

bother feel different if listening

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to a live or to a recording because I

...

I think it does.

...

like, if

...

Yeah.

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something

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in that change because we're because everything's planned.

...

most people know up upon,

...

Well. I mean,

...

when you listen to music, we speak because you're getting a

...

a kind of an attempt to create

...

the space. The music was recorded in

...

in your

...

living room more in your headphones. You know, stereo is is a is a fake.

...

spatial

...

It's the way you

...

of catching a space where the music is performed anything. Like doesn't

...

Yeah. I mean,

...

it's kind of not ready my

...

felt Phil fills back to hated stereo.

...

specialty. This friend's mine who are much more adept

...

talking about this, but I think obviously you when you hear stuff.

...

lies.

...

you

...

are getting the same

...

into connecting with the space that you're in you are in the space

...

and the sound is reflecting after surfaces off you.

...

you know, then it is a very different experience.

...

to have in that sound recorded to treat some microphones onto

...

an electronic media, and then

...

you know, it can't be sculpted and then

...

it comes out through the speakers. I mean, all intents purposes, you know, it's, so

...

It's a good approximation of the frequencies that you hear.

...

So you recognize

...

when you a piece of music that it sounds

...

pretty similar to the one, you know, that he might bid and and same music in a live second.

...

But, yeah, the very different. I mean, in terms of

...

I guess how it affects you.

...

I'm not really a psycho

...

I'm not in your two. So, like,

...

the effect of different waves on the body and

...

obviously louder.

...

I mean, it depends

...

because if

...

Well, it's see ...it down to to the very very basis

...

idea. It says usually,

...

substantially louder.

...

simply because we, you know, ask per that

...

album, but I think it was brother that I'm was waking up the neighbors.

...

I'm not

...

you know, we don't necessarily want to be doing that all the time. So at home we listen to,

...

to music a lot.

...

I lot quieter than we would in the club or a concert.

...

But then it's an interesting to the other side so that is

...

so i had just in terms of it perm your body, the waves

...

if you went the recorded,

...

you know, acoustic waves, per your body, of course, And it's

...

music. You can hear things that

...

it's a it's a different experience. You know?

...

You know, it seems very quiet. And with microphones, you can turn those into

...

things that are four granted

...

you know, So obviously, if you've got an extra,

...

to play

...

with

...

say,

...

five crickets. You won't be able to hear the crickets.

...

if they were playing live,

...

because the the the kind of volume of the crickets against the volume of an

...

And if the oxygen was playing incredibly quality, but even then, I don't think it'd be quite enough.

...

But we've recorded music, you can play with these perspective, so you can have the cricket

...

louder than the Orchestra. And that's kind of what recorded music doesn't lot of it creates

...

different kind of colors of sand that aren't ready how you would hear things

...

in the real world. I thumbs up all the time thinking invite

...

i lied she just really pay. You know, it's it's something not sound difficult.

...

when I'm make your music almost probably the most difficult thing that is I

...

But don't I how lag should ready be.

...

Right.

...

and generally, when when ...when the combo plays together,

...

they they adjust everybody adjust that that that dynamic

...

to the q instrument.

...

So if you have a little, you know, i i I don't know classical guitar

...

and the set of drums and, you know, brass section

...

Oh you occupy stuff. You know, you asked five

...

Oh,

...

everybody plays at the level that, you know, allows for the

...

the to still had.

...

Yeah. I mean, That would be the old way I guess yeah.

...

If you without amplification,

...

if you do it without tech, you know,

...

and best wife for example, you know, the largest instruments.

...

Yes.

...

well I used the pursue instruments in the yorkshire at the back.

...

because the lights so

...

I mean, one because, you know, they do all that kind of rhythmic stuff which western the music not so big on

...

but it's also yes their lights. So you pushed them through the back, so good there.

...

relatively quiet set.

...

when you're sitting the audience to the things that are narrower. There's another thing about Oxygen

...

quite sword link to this, which is

...

obviously the way that it works is that you have

...

if you face in an oxford, you have the high instruments, the height the violin.

...

and it goes from high too low, so from the left to right. So

...

you know, you have Chevy, you know, Vo that goes via violin on the left, and then the and it goes

...

shady and then, you know, con bases

...

So you've got this ...you know, this kind of

...

this this

...

way that the sound is presented, which is the low frequencies on the right hand side.

...

and the high frequencies are on the left left hand side that you face a stage

...

by Red, I, that the mind

...

his things the other way round. So at

...

it it works great for the musicians because

...

for some reason,

...

you know, the the way that

...

it's bad it's the the bot

...

if you're thinking the audience, it would be back to have the oxygen the other way, around you hear

...

high frequencies more from the right side.

...

and allow your the left.

...

Are you?

...

Isn't is that interesting? Well, we will be

...

we will be inviting a neuroscientist to the

...

turn the creative farm actually pretty shortly.

...

and I've just been chatting to someone who is doing research on

...

on creativity in general and the the science of

...

how our brains

...

well, our brains on music actually, short.

...

and it totally absolutely blew my tiny mind

...

tell you what, it is absolutely incredible.

...

what

...

people have been finding out about how

...

brains actually react and act.

...

on music. It's a it's a it's a thing of utter

...

beauty and amazing, but we will we will have that coming up in the

...

in a week or two or maybe three.

...

Just stop coming back to

...

coming back to to minimalism. For a second thing as we are talking about,

...

silent.

...

I find it really interesting that

...

That's entire movement

...

rose really

...

out of New York downtown scene in the nineteen sixties.

...

I don't know. Don't know about you, but

...

I can just imagine, Steve Wright

...

reacting to all that activity and color.

...

and and d of the time and the place with the desire for simplicity

...

Are we seeing a similar movement?

...

Well the internet

...

in our own ultra busy time. I what

...

changes because you have this other virtual space where you

...

experience things.

...

what are you saying on that horizon Apron?

...

know, in the days of Steve Rights, you know, when he was making music, obviously, you would hear stuff

...

through recordings.

...

But, you know, and I guess, the the post war then

...

like grocery landscape of City like New York. I mean,

...

soon as I say that, you can hear that almost. You know, if I say

...

sounded you have one you listening this hear.

...

And if I said sound it's London and maybe like a big bang, you know, this weird how we kinda

...

programs.

...

Of course. Well, we've all seen enough movies. Right?

...

kind of programmed so i've we've got these memories of science

...

and they disliked kind of

...

universal, to some degree. But, yeah I think

...

I think, you know, he was he was reflecting

...

he was ...yeah. He was reflecting, I guess, a particular

...

post war where, you know, or he grew up that time in America's like.

...

you know, this

...

incredibly vibrant

...

you know, growing economic powerhouse is the new

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you know,

...

will power, which is the list

...

And, you know, there's an energy in the music is a young country and there was something in it and it was

...

combined course of this whole language of African american music.

...

a rip rhythm being, like, you know,

...

primary material and not secondary material like it is quite often and what's the music.

...

it's coming out of a different musical tradition.

...

and then applying integrates, you know, the New York

...

of Manhattan is somehow works with the, you know, the architect

...

way that the city was designed and

...

but we I think we we have such a weird

...

you know, we we we don't have

...

such a clear relationships to where our environment that's my sense, perhaps so makes it quite me than we

...

I don't. Should I have such a

...

direct relationship to my environment.

...

is

...

you know, how much of our time and information is got from the Internet attributes

...

the street we live in, I'd say, you know,

...

most people are getting more of information

...

from the Internet the the actual spaces that existing and

...

you know, living in. So that's a big difference that

...

I wouldn't have been

...

the case back into the Russia's day. So I just think that, you know,

...

like, people find things just kind of

...

get

...

you know, it's like archaeology, people use the Internet to dig up.

...

a particular time that had it get that kind of particular idea, like

...

saying about the New Nuclear early the Japanese

...

sort of ambient music from the eighties, which is having known skype revival

...

and, you know, they see they go this is kind of

...

what we we resonates with some aspects I we live in now and what we need what we're looking

...

for music.

...

So I think it's different from then, you know, and a think of

...

the

...

you know, back in the days of the seventies in New York

...

those many cheap affordable spaces where people could

...

play music can hear music and

...

regardless of Code and that is the case.

...

in New York Manhattan and and in

...

you know, the ...because property is being

...

turned into it commodity

...

that but not by.

...

you know, normally

...

I remember walking by by the village vanguard.

...

some years ago now,

...

thinking yes well, I'll I'll make

...

pilgrimage to to the Temple.

...

while I was in New York city and

...

I found it boarded up

...

and I nearly cried, and that was that was quite a few years ago.

...

in social social animals.

...

Apparently, silence can be a sign of imminent danger.

...

I mean, if you think of others those and David and bio documentaries, I'm showing

...

we can we can think of moments when

...

all of a sudden, everything goes quiet, and then

...

you know, the the lion brings out from the growth and and

...

all of a sudden they need the the lips are way.

...

so many animals produce constant

...

contact calls they're called their named because

...

they are the glue if you will,

...

that binds a group of individual individuals while they're foraging, say,

...

There is an ethnic music psychologist who also happens to be in the

...

evolutionary musical psychologist at the university of Melbourne by the name of

...

joseph of Jordan, and he suggests

...

that that is indeed why people may find

...

long periods of silence distressing,

...

a feeling of imminent danger building up, and they don't even quite

...

understand that that is that is why they don't like

...

silence.

...

Yeah I mean, I know assistance haven't evolved.

...

you know, beyond

...

is this as deep you think as, you know, evolution?

...

you know, this is the thing as our culture evolves and

...

information speeds up

...

stimulus stimuli becomes more extreme.

...

on that system still, you know,

...

we have

...

we've got the lizard part of the brain. You've got, you know,

...

you've got this synthetic nervous system. You've got the paris nervous the system.

...

They haven't caught up.

...

you've got fight flight response. You've got a freeze response. You know, these things are still

...

pretty much evolutionary hard in everyone.

...

and

...

we ...so, yeah, we ...it it makes sense that

...

all these

...

ancient and

...

evolutionary messages are still kind of encoded in this

...

and we would still have some response.

...

because of that to these

...

to things like silence maybe

...

Leo,

...

one last word on silence before we

...

I lost Silence

...

before we enter radio silence,

...

I think I need silence to be able to fully enjoy

...

music.

...

So I noticed that I was moving out of

...

very noisy disruptive environments. It took me almost a year to

...

So enough choir to think back into

...

then be able to enjoy music again and now I can and I

...

the missing both.

...

And so it's time to bid

...

everyone good night for another Monday.

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we will go silent very very

...

very shortly. As soon as I've managed to

...

so thanks to Adrian Coca again.

...

visiting us

...

at the creative farm and

...

pleasure hear from you again.

...

and lily Greek a farm

...

Okay. If you're okay with me pronouncing it in the

...

original bow and way

...

Thank you, all, and we will

...

Well,

...

hear you?

...

Hi.

...

again,

...

next monday, and in the meantime,

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