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saying us for hearing us actually,

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We

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He did

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silence on the last program. You know, I thought it was

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only fair to do noise

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this time. We will try to concentrate on affordable noise

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in contrast to say semantic noise or visual noise.

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maybe

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later, will,

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attempt those if we can stomach it.

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to help me cut through the noise.

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on

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the creative farm today, we have studio regular Adrian Coca,

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musician composer,

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and know that an unfortunate of fine noise

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as we are going to

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find out come over here. Adrian help me thin out some of that x's.

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underground. Welcome to the creative father again.

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Hello.

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The definition of noise that stuff

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that because it is rather a fascinating thing.

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It seems to be

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clean.

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cultural and personal thing.

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of

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font memories of many days spent at a tibetan buddhist monastery, for example,

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witnessing ceremonies, which included moments of

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glorious to coffee of drum symbols, gangs, and trumpets.

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loved it, but those were indeed

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moments and overwhelming at that

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What's noise to you.

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well I think you noise has a kind of negative connotation in our culture, It's idea that

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is somehow not beautiful harmonious, and it's

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distracting or Jar

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I guess,

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I don't know the roots of that, but, I guess, you know, a lot of roots of noise

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a noise music here.

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in my world,

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comes from

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Like, the futurist

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and, you know, early twenty century art movements that

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I guess, started to celebrate the cosmetics of

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you know, twentieth century industrial technological

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lies. And

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started to bring those sounds into

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what being up to that point?

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know, predominantly acoustic sounds, generally is

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myth technology from

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hundred of years poor, you know, suddenly, you know, people here inside a car

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car engines and

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kind of airplanes and and and those sounds with deemed

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know, is interesting as a violin so why can't you somehow have incorporate those

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and

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one be

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composers that did that or tribes it first was

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I give

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you know, he ...is interesting because we think of the the access of

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and electronic devices that we can make sound with name. But

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when for us was making music,

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he was having to use sirens and, you know,

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sort of whatever devices is you could find

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metal sheets, you know, stuff that somehow replicate

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some of the noise that was going on outside in the concert or that was trying to bring in

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Mean, maybe that really is a definition noise. It's it's it's

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it's noise that improves environments

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and spaces

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in an unwelcome way

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Maybe that's the original root of it, that

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you know, as I've just said, I think, you know, a lot of

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contemporary culture embraced that noise and brought into those spaces.

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fucking trying see

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keep out.

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Well, this this entire genre lawyers music

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which just so

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so to describe following

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certain static logic

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didn't indeed begin with data.

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but her since,

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involved into a whole raft of sub genres often

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associated with expensive use

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technological voice and then holding

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what we ordinarily call instruments and

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as you said, household appliances says in January,

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engineering products. And so I think that

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all he goes to show that

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we can make art with pretty much anything we wish and everything

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the result that matters and not the means, and this is

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a discussion. I think that's me took away

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many times, but

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out of that out of that comes

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this interesting observation that's

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As Say, one man's meet is another poison

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And so too it is with noise.

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at least it seems

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street noise, city noise,

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as both

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inspired and being directly included in artistic production.

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at the same time, i'm I'm reminded

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of the wonderfully eccentric kim Robbins film noise

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Of course, well he you might have recall

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he downs as a set of

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protective ems and goes in a sort of a vigilante anti noise

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noise is rampant.

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for noise is not just cultural or personal. It's also subjective isn't it?

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Yeah. And I think it changes with time.

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think people's threshold of what they're prepared to

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or or what they can start much clear or the nervous systems

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tolerate or with it changes

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I mean, one of the questions things I remember when I saw people with,

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I remember thinking you know up to that point. To me, musical always been quite a

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unifying force, you know, something that people shared

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and and spices together even when you

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strange music it was something that was a gift and

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saw people I I suddenly realize the, you know,

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is new and this individual and a set separation from each other.

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the thought to kind of separate you from

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everyone else that you, you know, you saw people on the tube, Not of you

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we're like, doing addict anything other than

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you know, just disappeared into the headphones.

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and the idea. And, of course, is what it it it takes all the noise. It's

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we environment.

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out of your exception. You can control the noise only this

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the noises that you want to hear at that particular point.

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And, you know, we have noise towns headphones now

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we even not sure the technology has been around for awhile.

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and now consumer item, and they're more expensive if you wanna buy noise canceling and have phones.

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So you don't have to hear

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much of the environment that you're

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the headphones in. They're gonna cost a lot more than headphones that

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allow the noise of the environment somewhere into the that funds.

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So it's interesting i think that this point where are

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me

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know noise. I mean, i think the the noise musicians

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That of all, you know, I've always used noise as as a confrontational

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message to sort of wait few properly Mean, you know, everyone can understand that when they

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heard a, you know, large guitar music in the effect there has

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it has a certain effect. It's hard to just drift option.

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daydream.

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when you hear music with certain kind of

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loud violence attached to it. So has always been

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It it

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it demands attention. Right?

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It's a meditation. It demands you to kind of

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trying to shake you physically. I've seen

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some noise musicians so literally the music is played at such light volumes.

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that feels like every selling your body is vibrating and and I think, you know, that's almost most the point.

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it's it's not meant to be polite, it's not meant to

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allow you to escape into our world. It's it's

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it's meant to palm you.

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in doing that, you know, give you some

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maybe different inserts.

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release through republican.

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Yeah. I think so. Yeah. I think i'm

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it's

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I mean, I don't know. Because i'm I I'm I I I mean, I know

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some up music but I'm not an expert budget means, but I think i'm

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the concept I've been taken in the is capacity equality to it.

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I mean,

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then the other aspect of it, that some of the noise actually just is really aggressive and passes on the regression.

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as well. And where that line one line and and the other begins, I'm not

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quite sure out they could define that

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But when you hear it, you know it, You know, when something has been aggressive.

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and when something might actually have the same

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potential sound component

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totally different intention.

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that that line between barely variable

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and rather pleasant

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is

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okay. To me,

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that it is

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an elastic one.

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I've have a number of elders by artists

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delve

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in Realms, not exactly middle or even melodic

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And

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my playlist called brain space.

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includes all types of

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oral experiments some of which

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sort wealth into the territory of noise, but

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I only ever listened to that playlist.

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I need to concentrate fully

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on writing, say,

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and have to indeed cancel out.

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of intrusive music.

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with

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Well,

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noise.

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It is not just subject

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it also depends on the activity in the time of day. Rather fascinating this thing of

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isn't it?

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I mean, I think I have a strange relationship with music that I don't.

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use it to do anything else too, generally, I find it too distracting.

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or at least, if I'm not distracted by music, then I feel like, I shouldn't be listening to it.

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which is, you know, not necessarily right. It's just

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what my

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sort of current relationship to

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our listeners is, which is

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it changes all the time. Not the

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generally go out in hear more like music.

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And that's how I would ...and and then I use

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I kinda use recordings a bit like you would

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a reference library, you know, or like a a catalog if you look at.

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a page work and you wanna remember certain idea when you open a book and you

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look At how the covers we used or

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Kind of use recordings bit that, which is very different.

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And I'm trying to kind of, like, get back to just able to put the

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on and and listen and find it more.

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relax way, but I guess, make sure lockdown down and

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just

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have any

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as my dang joke.

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you know, the the task of writing music

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it's kind of over time changed it somewhat. So

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It's the relationship of a musician, but

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music somewhat

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similar similar to the relationship of a painter with

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with page and with paintings and, you know, other people's

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training things.

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and is

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in that context.

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His noise like a opal painting girl, or it like a white

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noise of analog television.

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or rather those parallel and note that's all appropriate.

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Nice. You know?

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when recorded, well, I think the thing that may ...that the drop that

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may be brought to get the marriages between

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you know, visual media

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audio audio is when recorded

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music began. So the technology you

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the tape recorder, which came about after second mode war.

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And originally, was a device

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as far as I know I could be wrong that was

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develop during more time as part of

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you know?

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espionage activity been able to record

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covert recordings.

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and so after the war, you know, you had these technologies the originally you've been

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developed during wartime time, and they became absorbed into

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you, popular culture, and obviously,

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music door I always existed suddenly after the war.

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could be recorded in a very different way to what it had been.

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or we had wax cylinders and other forms are quite sort of

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you know?

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you know, you always cut on

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a record.

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I don't know that history.

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K vinyl.

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But anyway, the tape

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invasion the tape and what that did to music meant that you could

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record a sound, and then you could manipulate it. So

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you could speed it up. And you could slow it down, you could play backwards

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could play through an actor unit.

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so that sound then became my material.

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and you could then record that process sent back onto another time machine.

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and you could build up colleges arches have sound, and that's

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so

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you know, what people doing in in electronic music in the fifties and sixties

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some most of which those sense

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much more progressive than

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some of what's going on now. You know, it's still sounds very ahead of its time.

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So, yeah. I think that there is an analogy in a pension ability

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to manipulate the theory, You know, you can raise a tape like you can, you know, you can paint over

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part of the canvas that you don't like. So there's the an ability to kind of

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to

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constantly edit your work.

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which

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has some similarities severity to have

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you, is competing as well.

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Well Brian called a tape recorder his

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most important instrument

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and he's something of noise veterans was.

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clicking out bits of noise and incorporating them in

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composition positioned

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composition and

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sounds.

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This relies on technology that is

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I think that wave is changing. And as you said,

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those experiments fairly on and, you know,

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the the sixties and seventies.

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with, you know, technology.

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had the element of surprise in them

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because ultimately, you kind of head up

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fair idea of you we're going to do, but

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on what you were going to get, but no

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you went to exactly

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Sure. But

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with digital tech.

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you whatever you can bring up.

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you can

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essentially, get get it done.

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I mean, I think in some ways, this technology

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Yeah. I mean, there's there's more tools that digital technology

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allows you

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you know, more more ability to manipulate sound.

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yeah. But do you sort of rely on this text to

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and up with with something clean and this

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predisposition this position to

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ending up with something whatever, you know, however you're define clean,

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I think it's depends How use it. I mean, I was

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is is is limiting.

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I was

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I mean, it's a maybe not a great analogy by similar gardening in that

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If you if you garden, you're gonna use technology from a number of years

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you use technology that

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micro about thousands of years, you know, like a or

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but then, you know, you might use some

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you know,

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very modern

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you know, gardening tools alongside that. And

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I I think you know, this was about

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the same thing with with music it's like you've got this vast array now, the pulmonary industry

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of

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of of tools that you can use.

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And so it's like, how you choose, like, with a lot of how everyone

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you know, relates and works technology how you

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how you make the decisions yourself and think, the dangers

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if you aren't thinking about that, you just kind of use them to

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or tools because they're free and everyone uses them.

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And i just instant film music today and what really you struck me?

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And the computers have been acquired big one.

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Whilst str was that every was was was

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was recorded separately. I mean, some of the signs that have been generated in the computer or

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from a in a hardware from

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sizes. And then there's some sense that were recorded.

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you know, lies

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But

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they all just kind of got

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dropped into a virtual space.

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not a big change that ever existed together in that space.

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and it kinda struck me like it's

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I kind write the way things interacts.

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and physical spaces.

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and

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it's a very kind of modern thing that seems kind of contextual

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taken out context and combined, but when it's sort very strange

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separate

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quality

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So all the ingredients in the music are very separate. They're never kind of

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really interact with the other ingredients around them.

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but that's like a fashion. It's kind of also how we live. And so

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kind of in somewhere way reflect the side we now live in but I mean,

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Yeah. I mean that thing.

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technology is just like everything is just

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how you use it and there's some amazing digital technology in this that I choose my

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used to sit

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Do we

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end up

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whether certain synthetic quality with

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clarity without a surprise of noise

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Because

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This is what's expected

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a certain cleanliness

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Right.

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and predict predictability

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But I mean I could be really good. I mean, you know I think of crash requesting

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a early detroit tech or

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the early electronic music, which would have come out of maybe two

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Japanese

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boxes made by Road and connected by Midi, you know?

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the music has a very specific feel to it.

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So is based on the technology, and and, you know, I mean, like crap will actually play in a lot of that music

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code that were using sequences or

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but there is there is a unity in that music there's a clarity vision and

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now it's just like, it's like the kitchen sink, you know, you can use a million technology and throw all the

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stuff.

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you know, what you're doing?

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And

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Yeah.

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I think, you know, i quite like a very minimal script statistic.

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and I I quite like that electronic of music.

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start

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But that isn't what we have now. We have, like, more of an advertising language

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slider again. Said last week. So I a real thing where you get bombarded with sound.

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is been not danger that

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Oh, maybe I was a danger us perhaps the right

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not the right word, but.

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to go immediately into production without sufficient idea and

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and

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sort of like you, you're preparing a

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public

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public talk with a presentation. And the first thing you do is

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fire off the powerpoint point.

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And, of course, it should be the last thing you do because

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you should be concentrating on

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what you're going to say, why it's important as suppose to

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what slides again to throw.

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on on the wall.

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because we have all these

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incredible tools that temptation, maybe the

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to slide smoothly into

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the modifying

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you know, effects of

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you know, more cuddle

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sound producers existence,

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as opposed to

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figuring out what the sound is meant to be and the

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the figuring out perhaps needs to have a eleven of

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noise and of surprise. What do you think?

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Yeah. I think, you know, there's something supposed to be said for both me things, sometimes this

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students I have an idea.

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away from the technology

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and other times,

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I mean, you know, one of the beauties of the technologies that you can just follow the sound

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in and and and go up composition in a very

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intuitive way

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which is kind of what composer it does when they just start bar one and a piece of paper.

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it's just you're using different senses. You know, you're using your is

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and your eyes, whereas, like, on piece of paper, you're using a different

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you know, imaginative

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Oh, i

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Good.

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good.

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there you are. It it went down.

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Actually

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What's going on? No That's all good.

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Anyway, but, yes, If you're composer, you're using

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and imagine to faculty you build up. We've being able to lighten know vision while you visualize

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okay the music as rod.

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So I think the technology you

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to make use it without having that skill, which is a alert skill that you go and

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you, if you're composed that that's really

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one of many skills that you build up your ability to

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be up to hear music based on

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pitch

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based on

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marx that you make on stage on a piece of paper.

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and that's a very specific skill.

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to be able to do that.

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How do they how do they write notation for

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Noise music. I wonder

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other other than, you know, written instructions, you know, run

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you know, six hundred watt drilled for thirty seconds. I mean, that's

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that's easier I about time.

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I mean, there's this many is

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Well, you know, this this this basically

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Yeah. You can use

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written notation so words.

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you can use

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you know, modified

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traditional notation.

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or you can use graphic notation or you can use all of it. I mean, graphic you know, so there's a component, you know, composer such

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is a artist who's studied with Called, And he

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is is goes

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some of them are traditional some of them are these events in

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the actual score, you know, she's coming

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with what score should be. He's creating own language and I think closed.

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post war composers did that. They were like visual artists.

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there's another piece spy.

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an composer called Communist card You called the great learning.

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It's called

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on the.

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Forgotten.

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is a beautiful graphic score by a composer called, I think called treat to

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by when called you, and it's it's like just looking gonna art, but over

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pages and pages, you know, use

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he's kind of written this

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language, which is exact same as as our paint would do

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you, come up his language but using it.

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as

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as

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information to give to musicians to interpret his mis.

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So

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Yeah. I'm listen that's one of the interesting things, and now you have

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So you, you have sound sunglasses and quite often

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a lot of that work will

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obviously being galleries because of the nature of the

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But quite often, Sand artists work is visual. It might be

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it might be exhibited as purely visual media.

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So there's a death composer.

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called

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my memory Christine kim, I think,

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And a lot of the work is

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graphic

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you know, graphic depictions of power death.

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composer is music.

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So

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this is what

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music should look look like

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Yeah. And she's

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she's sharing it and as a visual

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pant point, and there's is like visual translation of what she's

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what she's internally hearing.

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I think we're touching on the magical here.

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we are certainly going to be

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paying a

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long and

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enjoyable visit to

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that's no man's or every man's land.

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the confluence or at the

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you know, the border between the visual

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and the musical, I think, very, very soon because

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that area where

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it is not quite one

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no the other oh maybe it's both or maybe it's something else altogether.

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is is, particularly

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riff with

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with ideas to to explore

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no perception of noise changes with

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age two doesn't it

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Yeah. You got deaths and you lose

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No

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certain frequencies

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not quite like that. Oh, let's

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Well, the hearing in one of my is is definitely you know,

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is one of the others and

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you know, I think ...but, yeah. You know it does and i think. What happens

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I think as you lose some of the frequencies,

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there sort high frequencies, which happens to most people as they get older.

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the brain compensate and

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is he that

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maybe it was just pre lockdown down before lockdown. A lot of noise is that

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which then noise of here in London would just be a lot more

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disturbing and i'm unpleasant.

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the art

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you know,

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heard in my younger days, and I just wondered where it was as

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I was losing in i frequencies my brain sort of amplifying.

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some of these other frequencies and

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So they just become a little bit harder to handle.

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because they in the kind of key but people think older that they become

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less tolerant.

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with

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you know, noise. I mean, I I have where I live is a a

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school up the.

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children

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you know, under ten

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you come out and play. And so most of the sand I I hear most

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is the sign of children playing, which is as

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you know, i notice as my partner or what says

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But. Yeah.

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Well, happy happy kids playing is not

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is not awful. Unhappy kids. That is

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that is beyond red. Have you incorporated any of that

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in into a year

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your work, I wanna

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No. I I mean,

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I

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consciously, maybe

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I don't

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think so it's interesting that one because you know,

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Gently soak up.

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my the environments noise that I hear and ends up in

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pieces in

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strange ways, but I haven't picked that just to

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is too specific, and it it's to

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I mean, you know, I I I think

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The voice is is obviously a very rich

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probably the richest instrument. So

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Kind of

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interested in doing more with the voice.

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but it hasn't actually of done.

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so on

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Have you with tried

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the sort of

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the email approach of recording lots of different

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horses and then picking out little friends picking out little

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threads and building those into

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into composition positions or is that not the sort of thing that you

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that you're interested in

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No. I do that all the time you think everyone does uses

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computers you can edit it, you know, So you can

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take

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a ton

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hard performance and you can turn into

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the majority of the material

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So, yeah, I do that. I do that quite lot. I think that's some

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that is normal. But I mean, i think in terms of horses,

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I e

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I have yeah. I think I've been exploring.

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played acoustic instruments and, you know, some different process in and

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you, some

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ways that lives with electronics zone, but voices

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because voice is like a whole thing on its own and

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you know, like quiet and

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the ability to cut, you know, what you can get with

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Just

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the human voice. I mean,

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a lot of your instruments have

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you know, I kinda relate to the voice. So, like, for example,

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one of the reasons the cello is seen is

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as luck such a kind

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emotional instrument is really because it's range.

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is very similar to the human voice.

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So in in in instance of the notes, you can get from a cello it's pretty much.

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has a correlation to the kind of pitch you get from a even voice.

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So

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Yeah.

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I guess I've wouldn't a lot of cello over the last ten years, maybe so that's the way

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the voice as

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turned up in writing.

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How far do your push?

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from the and the middle

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into

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what you know,

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normal people would consider

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virgin into the territory of

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noise full.

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I mean, I'm I

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my my

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relationship with

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melody is

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I I'm not ...I'm not so interested in it.

...

when I'm doing my own work, you know,

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if I'm working on someone else's

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commission. It a particularly to pitch of m

...

there are it's really hard not to use some aspects of conventional

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harmony melody

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unless you have a very radical filmmaker.

...

which I

...

once twice work with. But I mean, generally,

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you know, melody and how many other ways that

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you

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rich up the emotional world and

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the more Tv show you working on so

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it's hard to avoid it and entirely.

...

my own interests

...

definitely into things that on

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may be conventional in terms of

...

language. But I mean,

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I don't find the many last peaceful basis.

...

they come from different areas culturally, and they're not using in same

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notes that maybe we've all heard many times in popular music

...

So

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you know, creates a different

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newer response, your brain,

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some said to me that when you hear an interval, you've never heard before.

...

there's almost like, literally not a neuro pathway in the brain to process it. So it kind of

...

is met with some

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resistance.

...

but as soon as the brain has something,

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on through the years, you have hear these different sounds. You know?

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Mean after you started to be in know. I mean, a lot of the way we perceive

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melody army. I think this is cut culturally conditioned.

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I I don't think within themselves,

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I mean, that it's a big topic.

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But I think there's a a large degree of that, which is

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comes from

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cultural condition.

...

and the fact that many amazing musicians and clothes have used

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similar combinations of notes, so there's almost like a

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Kind of

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a kind of shared database that we have and they of these

...

these kind of emotions that come from these pieces, but they don't necessarily have any correlation

...

bugs actions.

...

So is noise something that

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goes against

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convention by definition.

...

Yeah. Just trying to. I think he's just trying be

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tell you're after the second world war

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which is obviously.

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a horrific event.

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and

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many people died

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you know, it I think a lot composers didn't

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think it was very

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apt, suddenly go back to using

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the language of

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romantic music or

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You know, the barack. You would just been through this

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period. So, you know, this is like pinterest and poland or

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stock and or

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look it, you know, these people just

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had actually had

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was an actress, you know,

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most people have very

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kind of traumatic experiences during the war and the music that they made after

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can reflected that and a lot of that language because it was so radical

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has kind of seep into

...

You know, the kind of look

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mexican of contempt music, but it came really out of trying to reinvent

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what music was after having just gone through

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the second world war. You know? So I don't know maybe

...

I mean, strange at the moment with the pandemic emotion, but

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this it's almost like the opposite that people want comfort, which I token

...

time. You I have my

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meet similar, You know? But

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there's this like. I'm

...

you one, they don't wanna be challenged at the moment in that same way because

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life is challenging enough and

...

So

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some of the music that I'm hearing and the fashion seem to be

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music

...

going back to

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you know,

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new age or ambient

...

you know, just reassuring and not particularly challenging

...

not that haven't heard before.

...

but stuff is just

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good to have on as you do whatever you gotta do.

...

But, you know you know what will happen after that. Maybe something else

...

Interestingly, what, you know, I

...

she said a couple of minutes ago about

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neuro pathways and their relationship

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to how when you perceive

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music at how

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when we share interesting

...

interval that we hadn't heard before.

...

And there isn't a neural pathway

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ready to

...

to

...

transmitted to capture it and transmitted it that is entirely

...

entirely correct because I've just

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had to the pleasure of talking to

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brain research on your

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you know,

...

scientist

...

doing research in that very field.

...

and we are going to invite her into

...

the creative farm very soon.

...

to talk about this very thing. They

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the physiology, if you will of our perception,

...

of music

...

But that's in the couple of weeks time oh maybe four.

...

we'll see.

...

This is the creative hub. My name Ralph Command, and

...

here with

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studio regular,,

...

talking about

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noise if you'd like to throw something into the pot,

...

or maybe just, you know, for a couple of couple of sausages at the

...

bonfire, please just for, you know, raise your ahead, and I'll be sure to

...

drag you in and head you the microphone for better.

...

or for worse, I wonder if I'm

...

if I'm not aging in reverse, you know,

...

was a great fan of of

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mozart and then

...

bit and then the the romantic when I was

...

university

...

and I'm finding

...

finding heavy metal more and more appealing these days.

...

particular kinds of heavy metal. That's not not go overboard.

...

But

...

It's not just our perception of

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noise that changes, I think it's our appreciation and

...

a personal definition of

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what is and is not acceptable changes as we

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as we age, does it not

...

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I think

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Makes. I was very young when you died and it doesn't

...

is genius, but it has a certain you

...

asked about it, which

...

mean maybe not directly. But I mean, you know, get good

...

Yeah. Maybe not directly.

...

But but but

...

Yeah. I mean, there's many of languages and

...

you know, I guess, yeah. A lot of romantic composers working composing

...

relatively young to the years that we now live to. And

...

maybe there's something in the fact that

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we have longer time

...

lot longer large spans and

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I mean, I don't know romantic music is

...

is

...

the myth of the romantic tortured artist is in the power the kind of sense

...

use of youthful attached to it.

...

It.

...

which which they they did the utmost

...

to to to to promote, of course,

...

Yeah.

...

And, you know have your met is ...I mean,

...

I've never been a fan I quite like like

...

because

...

played in certain ways. So yeah. I mean,

...

Actually have to pin on now, You know, the internet did you sort of

...

scrub forward and backward wherever you want and

...

a time when, you know, your music would have been very dictated by

...

your environment and and your age group and you peer group and it doesn't anymore, you know, you

...

listen to anything at time. And

...

color good.

...

So just to be sure, you know, and and and just

...

so so I don't believe and unduly,

...

incorrect impression. Are still more and, you know,

...

color our and then moves in the from room. But

...

Generally speaking, I think maybe it's a question of not so much

...

shifting as expanding

...

the field of what is

...

what is acceptable, and that maybe goes

...

to demonstrate or maybe partly

...

explain but you were talking about a second ago, and that is the language

...

of composition.

...

maybe

...

it is simply

...

a matter of learning

...

another language like, you a bed, I don't know in the portuguese,

...

And is simply a question.

...

of understanding or not

...

the Vocabulary be there maybe our relationship to

...

noise music that we that we began with

...

It is just a question of

...

allowing ourselves to go through

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you know, the purgatory of learning and your language to actually understand what

...

what it is that they're trying to say.

...

I think it's just about your environment as well

...

you know, I mean, I think, you know, the rich noise

...

is nature, and obviously, there's a huge amount of

...

field recorded and people make music just record in

...

snapshots of, you know,

...

incredibly beautiful deep of some naturally natural

...

event and

...

you know, now we have to know to record

...

the sound of white singing to each other ten miles away on underwater.

...

So, you know, you can hear things that we never could hear before.

...

and

...

it's it's the the the

...

the vocabulary of music is infinite nine, and this infinite

...

infinite sounds, infinite combinations,

...

And so

...

Yeah.

...

the vocabulary has become a lot less limited, but, you know,

...

without the input is still a line grades, which is

...

control by

...

people ...I

...

the major copyright on the post wall

...

pop

...

catalogs that, you know, really want that language to be still.

...

use propagate. I mean, I've always it's a bit of

...

it's a bit of a kind of

...

come cheek I did, but I always quite like the idea of banning music

...

i'd like to band the beat also, like, ten years, twenty years.

...

you know? And you're not not bad, but so look ...you know, that's

...

I'll play.

...

forbid you can play it at home. We're not gonna be like,

...

a two tiny book

...

let's just not use the rate of these things. You know, we've played it not

...

ten lu the toe test

...

structure of the lash for for fall listening to to she loves you.

...

Well, let's just click it with hiring from public consumption.

...

you know, it's like it it's like,

...

you know,

...

there's a point when musicians would stop making music at certain point, but now we've recorded music, it just get played and

...

in the reason that's fired to me. I'll see. You know?

...

I'm not knocking the beatles, but

...

you know, I'm I am aware. The reason why

...

music is played, You know, people say just popular, and that's true.

...

it's also popular because it's played all the time.

...

because it's blood all the time as

...

So it's a chicken in and next situation and the beatles is not in that category, but there's a lot of music

...

is played all the time because it it it works.

...

as it's supposed to on you.

...

in your car doing this that. And

...

i just this it's a ...like so it's not a serious suggests

...

and I just thought it would always be quite in it.

...

you just retired music

...

you know?

...

for a number of years just to allow something else to come through.

...

and see what takes its position.

...

So

...

like Queen as well. Oh, maybe let's let's get answer.

...

instantaneous. I mean, you know, it's all great music in his own way, but

...

I'm speaking slightly for serious.

...

I think I I think provocative is is what we like

...

to be, you know, this on this program.

...

that is indeed, you know, maybe one I the other that

...

that nature needs investigating

...

and not that it's likely to happen given that

...

Never. Yeah.

...

they the strength ...the the strength of the of the copyright and

...

and the marketing way. But there's is a there's another ...there's another

...

aspect to that and we're sort of trying away from a

...

call coal subject to tonight being the sort of the difference

...

to sound the noise and the definitions thereof of, but

...

just for a second, the the a ...and then just film director by the name of my

...

thing.

...

Who for very had a long time.

...

rebelled against the very idea of film.

...

and our cultures

...

strange, as he called it fascination with the the preservation of things

...

for poster.

...

he thought that, well, once some movie was made, you know, which

...

should be seen a few times.

...

maybe a few more times, and then it should naturally

...

degrade

...

coming back

...

from that idea.

...

to what you just mentioned, this this infinite combination

...

that was the number of infinite com, you know,

...

infinite number of combinations

...

of of musical vocabulary

...

and expressions of music

...

does it mean

...

That's what the they though you yeah.

...

persistence.

...

of culture.

...

and

...

the ever increasing

...

cultural vocabulary doesn't mean that

...

and is actually harder to make choices.

...

therefore.

...

which, of course, it is.

...

Therefore, we

...

will

...

entropy towards noise as

...

natural progression.

...

Well, I think noise is used as as a distraction by making media.

...

So, you know,

...

points, none of which can be correlated or

...

you know, given precedence in any way,

...

you know, it's the kind of hot the vision where,

...

it's not you kind of stock information even though that is definitely starting happen in the Uk.

...

you just kind of confuse people with an abundance of it. You make noise

...

which confuses the signals.

...

Oh, look another strategy anything.

...

Or

...

Oh exactly you're right. Yeah. Oh, look another side thing.

...

Yeah.

...

And then on the other hand, you know, there's obviously a language which is used

...

whenever there's power, whoever it's a language of law, language you find,

...

which is

...

a noise, which is meant to exclude you. And so you kind of

...

don't understand the terminology. So it's a kind of noise that you just tune out from.

...

And again, I think that's so noise for me is used

...

is used in quite a a very specific minute way by

...

that they

...

and it's very successful. You know?

...

I mean, you know, we've done up with some financial crisis. You know, if some said to you,

...

what is it collateralized debt obligation or what it's constantly and i mean immediately your brain

...

off and

...

of course, within those things is the ruin of millions of people

...

But, you know,

...

it's not

...

meant be easy digestible. You give it those

...

that kind of language or that noise in order to

...

can conceal what really is going on to poor people into

...

not noticing.

...

So

...

Yeah. I don't know. I mean nothing.

...

the noise

...

I don't ...I I think that the noise

...

may me the artists to use

...

I would hope it's some

...

reflection of some

...

this some of the ways that we are

...

bamboo old controlled. I

...

the noise that is given as as positive information.

...

So if it is unconstitutional by design, it is

...

it is noise by definition.

...

Oh, sorry. If you're not intelligent enough to understand what we're talking about.

...

Yeah.

...

because it's code.

...

Qualified okay. Shotgun

...

Okay. Sorry. No. No You're just yeah I like

...

with these ideas beyond your station. Right?

...

Exactly. You've got get to a low degree to understand.

...

Okay.

...

So if noise is by definition political

...

then

...

I think is ...yeah. Well, I think it is

...

then the noise as political practice isn't

...

is a natural result of this. Right?

...

Silence.

...

Well, yeah. I mean, it's it's a very

...

quick big topic. There's no noise can, but that not can also be totally

...

passive. And, you know, it's about the intention, I think. And

...

Noise is

...

not just making a racket though. I think, you know, it's almost like.

...

No.

...

making a racket is almost become assimilated into a vocabulary of

...

was acceptable.

...

So

...

you know?

...

I actually had something last week. That's the first time was like, this is actually really

...

making me

...

unsure what he's going on, which I really liked.

...

and

...

It was a young female composer, and

...

but it was

...

very strange, and it wasn't what the

...

What did she mean? She was

...

just unsure

...

I don't really know what she's doing.

...

you know, she's what I like it It's when you can just

...

after time when something

...

gets used as a shorthand for rebellion or

...

you know, it just believes it's mean and bread.

...

kind of keeping in that

...

edge where it's like,

...

keeping ...you know, I think, like a said night.

...

my sense is culturally. People don't really

...

wide at the moment one art to be doing that.

...

one of the sex ...the sex vegetables are, of course, now, i've

...

cultural institution.

...

Yeah. They've been absorbed into it, and

...

John lied and did butter and

...

support Donald Trump, actually, I think it the last.

...

does he out? Oh, well.

...

how how interesting so I'm not cute in the Uk.

...

but perhaps, not all

...

Interesting.

...

Very good. One last one last call for drinks

...

fabulous cuban if I may say,

...

we'll be wrapping up shortly, but if there is someone other in

...

radio land.. Listening and and you would like to

...

something something into the pot, please by

...

by all means, and

...

ultra outflow the microphone in your general direction.

...

So if noise is

...

defined something

...

that is outside of usual

...

of vocabulary

...

of our usual

...

language comprehension.

...

And if boys

...

is

...

by definition political as we just said.

...

Then can we elevate noise?

...

to the level of something other than merely

...

awful, can may not say it as a reflection?

...

of the grand and the numbers

...

and can we not say it?

...

provocative, I dare say, can we not it as

...

something to strive for

...

Now you use the has that as well. Mean not

...

I think

...

music is spiritual is is political but asking the the times we're in,

...

it just feels that

...

signed is

...

is is been like to claim but for a long time.

...

And now people just start question why

...

like ...what what it is voice ...and I don't just need

...

users or people, you know, I I I think that hi we to music.

...

who owns the music.

...

why we listen to music. Other than just be explained or

...

you know, distract you

...

shall we say some point as well?

...

you These are interesting questions. I mean,

...

obviously,

...

there's a spiritual tradition to music and

...

portraits and attention and meditation and

...

acceptance and, you know, these kind of things that

...

music. This music can

...

kind foster

...

It's just

...

my sense of, like know that we have

...

a different change in landscape and music. I feel should

...

reflect that in a different way what it has.

...

it seems that among other things under the show, we are

...

coming up with a certain definition

...

that maybe a a composite answer

...

to my

...

ongoing imprisonment.

...

when

...

how

...

despite my best efforts, sometimes,

...

I I get assaulted by the noise

...

of commercial radio.

...

my overall are wrong.

...

into a sort of a bit of a wobbly

...

How is it?

...

that it continues to appeal to such like large number numbers of people

...

do wonder at those moments.

...

and I suspect that over time,

...

we may

...

come up with

...

an answer that can't be easily dismissed as religious nonsense.

...

I would love to do that something a little more.

...

considered. And dare I say,

...

research driven the scientific

...

you think that's possible?

...

I mean, I think, you know, spotify has not to time. But again,

...

just my personal viewpoint. I would

...

But this goes this goes five

...

you further into the past and the existence of spotify

...

Yeah.

...

Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

...

commercial radio with the two hundred tunes that get

...

cracked out all day every day. It's

...

and they're not necessarily all tunes.

...

Yeah.

...

of you know,

...

of of of of themselves as you

...

as you right, you mentioned queen and the beatles and what have you? But

...

as much as I love in a Reps.

...

I don't necessarily want to hear it every day.

...

Mode commercial radio

...

i wanting to just

...

have assets to

...

many people as possible. So they they've use the tracks that have

...

statistically, the most listings or the most popularity. But

...

Yeah.

...

That's definition. They have the most because I

...

have the most lessons. Right?

...

i historically of whatever reason culturally historically

...

had that position whether that's because it's the best music. I don't think that is the case

...

sorry, but

...

and I

...

So

...

So

...

Yeah. I mean, I I think we spotify. You have

...

similar thing in the

...

Well, it it's kinda different in the

...

You can listen to music on Spotify, and you'll never know what you're listening to.

...

I've sat julep for listening exposed while you listening another guy to them, you know?

...

Well, This is interesting because

...

And it's wife, you know, why looking to it and deficit well.

...

why not? And it's like, yes. Fair point, But

...

you know, I've had upfront conversations with with people that where, you know, I did

...

actually asked.

...

you know, car is possible that

...

you don't get driven

...

bad by hearing the same two hundred songs.

...

every day.

...

sort of a water a torture for me.

...

and and the answer was more than once

...

oh, I don't even hear it anymore.

...

Yeah. People don't. That's true.

...

Which is

...

I think that's a not I most disturbing the

...

know, when people listen to music nine,

...

when I've sat rooms and people put Spotify five players on,

...

So

...

they're not even listening, but they do know that, like,

...

polite social catherine, one of the ingredients, like

...

you know, the right lighting is to have some kind of

...

As add up Decent Char and i.

...

Yeah. And and it's it's just

...

but know what is really listening. The bit right music

...

so compressed that, you know, you're not really here music anyway.

...

And, of course, you know, you know, you know, young musicians get round that by

...

you know, making music that works and cuts all of that. But, I mean,

...

You know, actually, I'm sure this

...

allow an amazing stuff.

...

kinda for fight. I can't generalization, but

...

I can't of. I just think that

...

it's eastern

...

music has gone

...

from something that ...yeah. Okay. A radio fm radio

...

radio with one thing and, you know, good the

...

validity of that obviously, you know, it's challenged what people got John Peel and

...

in the Uk, you

...

i just broad

...

Mighty rest peace.

...

obviously, had a huge impact on the list habits.

...

and a lot of people around the world.

...

And we've gone from that to

...

music, which is an infinite choice and you don't even have to worry about what it is anymore.

...

and

...

It's just played

...

in a way that

...

You don't.

...

even if but

...

somehow, a visit to my house

...

fall into one of

...

to categories

...

and when they see

...

the

...

the wall filled with

...

large discs and and small discs and

...

there's one category, which which pulls up

...

the the the point or lately

...

their phone with with this spotify and say, why, you know, I have

...

call this on my phone.

...

And the other category says, oh, the choice

...

the conscious choice, how beautiful is that?

...

So maybe maybe a relationship with

...

noise is somehow

...

constrained, defined or maybe augmented by our relationship

...

with conscious conscious choice. We choose to to listen to something

...

we. And if we don't choose to listen to it, by definition, it becomes noise.

...

like that

...

you know?

...

commercial radio was two hundred

...

Well, I think

...

hundred chance again again again.

...

for me,

...

noise that you

...

then like it's sounded invited your space.

...

and that you didn't

...

one in that space.

...

is somehow a very rough definition of noise. It's

...

unwanted.

...

and it's invaded in my, you know, piece or my listening.

...

Where's is mine?

...

we have music that is in the space.

...

that is actually noise because, you know, you don't know what it is.

...

Sometimes from experience, people Are really listening to it. So it's about is

...

but somehow that is my

...

it's comforts noise. It's a different kind of noise. So noise has gone from this

...

something keep out

...

because unpleasant to something that is

...

within in your space.

...

streams can be algorithm looking generated.

...

forever,

...

and you don't have to really worry about it because it's

...

constant noises. But if for me it's it's it's I I

...

no. It's ...you know, it's not it's not. People are consciously listening.

...

that logs in some kind of other state by

...

Summer

...

from a listener.

...

summer on tap.

...

Well.

...

mm-mm

...

Thank you.

...

Cheers.

...

careful careful on this on this Monday evening.

...

Well,

...

Let's maybe pick up

...

a couple of spotify

...

playlist on one of the

...

future.

...

shows, and maybe let's have a bit of a delve into

...

whether good bad different

...

Yes.

...

we are going to be absolutely

...

less than objective

...

in

...

in our opinion, and

...

my my my party and I'll cry if I want to

...

Thank you, Adrian, Adrian Coca.

...

musician composer,

...

noise efficient other coming in from from London.

...

else he does most Monday evenings,

...

This has been the creative farm. Thank you for you

...

attention five people out there

...

I can see you

...

waving and smiles and everything And i and we do appreciate them.

...

very much, we will see you. I'll hear you.

Fortune Cookie