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Somehow, I find the the white bot

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way too ambitious at times. Good evening.

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We're talking about inspiration.

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to say it's it's feral.

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would be to say nothing.

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of course, the photographer and painter chuck close.

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had this to say on the subject.

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the advice I like to give young artists to already

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anybody who listen to me is not to wait around for inspiration and

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is for amateurs.

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The rest of us just show up

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and get to work if you wait around for the clouds to part.

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and a bolt of lightning to strike you in the brain.

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you are not going to make an awful lot of work.

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all the best ideas

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come out of the process.

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they come out of the work.

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itself.

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which, of course, is

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is all well and good.

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and showing up and getting down to work certainly has a way of

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helping the the creative juices to flow.

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But some, it's... Oh, just

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no use.

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which is a problem, of course, since the

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The general aim of the creative professional is to ship

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you deliver or well,

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You may not

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have another opportunity to do her for a while.

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to help me an that's tangled, not

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quite guardian, but still pretty naughty.

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not

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I've asked into this the

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create farm studio tonight, a regular

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coming in from Vancouver.

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The multimedia producer, writer and educator, Erica High,

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So we're sitting here.

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the harvest.

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And considering what if anything

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might be

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akin to a recipe for what to do when

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when the users are proving to be particularly requested.

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Erica welcome again to the creative farm.

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Thank you, Ralph, and thank you for

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having me back on the show. I'm happy to be here.

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europe

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got a sunny afternoon here in Vancouver.

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Oh, lovely, Are you reliably inspired all the time.

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No.

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I

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I mean, I constantly have ideas that flow through my head and

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seems never enough time to do them all or enough money.

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but I have

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moments when

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I'm sort of

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when I have a particular project,

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or or new

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new thing that thrown at me and

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sort of in a demand to to create something to

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to go with that. And and I find sometimes

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when it when it comes to

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to that form of creativity it

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it often takes me a bit of work.

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Where do you start?

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to to find the inspiration and to to find

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Well, so so this is this is actually... You you're coming as

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you so often do are coming in it to a

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a timely time because

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Gosh. It's a talent.

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because I've I've just got when... One such new project at the moment

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So

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So with this one, it's it's a new newer platform.

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and a pan box, and they're they're looking for

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creative right now, And I believe for any of you who are

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interested in kind of researching that and and possibly seeing if it

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something you'd like to create too. I think they're pat box

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dot com. And so they're looking for new creative.

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to create before they go live with their platform.

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so that they have content there and and things to get people

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cited about the possibilities.

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So right now, there at

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inviting in a number of different creative from a number of

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different different genres, different

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What... What are you doing on death?

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different styles of creativity.

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I don't know yet. So

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Oh, excellent. Yeah. So this is exactly what we're talking about.

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I just got introduced to the flop for about a

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but just under there a week ago now. And so

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in order to kind of figure out

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what

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you know,

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what it is that that I'm gonna create

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usually, the place where I start with a new project like that

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is to immerse myself in it to start

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to tinker her, you know, if it's a new platforms tinker with the new platform,

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to do my research, see what, you know, in the case of

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a new platform that involves new tinkering and new ways, telling stories that

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it's, you know, seeing what's possible

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And then once I kind of have an idea,

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What's possible than sort of figuring out okay,

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what would I like to create to this space?

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And for me, one of the ways that I set of

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light of fire underneath the that creativity

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or a little bit of a spark catalyst list is

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stop some of us just just just a call it lighting

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a fire under our box, but, you know,

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Well, let's let's go along with that.

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Yeah. So it's... So for me, often... That's

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creating myself some form deadlines so that

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so that I... And and a deadline I actually have to stay

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too. So I've just started a new course in my masters

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and the first project

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in that course has to do with playing with mobile technologies, which

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pan box is ultimately creating stories to

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to enter through that people with

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entered and engage with through mobile device. So I am

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My initial plan was actually to to use Fireside for the project

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but because I just found my group project of the courses

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is on podcasting. So

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I'm I'm gonna shift this now and the podcasting will go

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to to to the group project and

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hence Fireside who below the group project and for

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for this first initial exploration

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I'm going to

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use

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use this this

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Okay.

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individual project in the class.

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So where where you gonna weigh gonna start? I mean, this immersion

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you know, how do you actually immerse?

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So how do I... Well,

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in this case, it'll be actually going on there and starting to take her with things.

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So starting to see just like, you know, when when I immerse myself,

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into, say Fireside with you. It was actually... Well,

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I mean, you made it easy because you kept inviting me on your show

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I would not let up.

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And then that, you know, when you had your little hiatus,

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for your summer vacations and it's like, okay. I've gotten over my fears and

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and now it's time to to actually, you know,

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create something up my own here and do a little bit of tinkering exploring with my own.

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and in that case, I was actually doing that with a a group of people.

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for one of the shows, and nobody was actually acting.

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And so it's like, okay.

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Well, I'm going to throw up a show then schedule it.

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and invite people, and we're just gonna get going on this thing.

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So so, yeah. So

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So just like just like Chuck plus said Right? Just

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show up and get to work and and see what comes out.

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Absolutely. Absolutely. And I mean, one of the beauties

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is

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And I think this is this is ultimately where a lot of people have

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trouble with creativity and sparking that creativity and getting started

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on a project and the inspiration behind it is

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too many people are too concerned with it being perfect.

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and I luckily don't suffer from that.

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Plus I I've learned over the years that if I keep

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trying to perfect something and holding off until it's perfect.

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well, I'm ultimately never going to be releasing entries anything because

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quite frankly, nothing's ever perfect.

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there's always things that you could change.

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And so

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So it becomes about

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you know,

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sort of starting to build something that I'm excited about

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that that has meaning to me in some way. And and realizing

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that

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And I mean, I mean, for me, so exhausted, this is one of the beauties of the digital

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digital birth is

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if I kind start and begin

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and

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I know that the

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it's

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the future iterations or the future versions or episodes

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will only get richer as as

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as I I see what worked on my, you know, the first time the first time up

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up at the plate. And

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and then I see what I I'd like to change the next time. And

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How how do keep

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that

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Sorry Go ahead.

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how do you keep on top of of of the of the flow?

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of new ideas. I mean, some writers swear by Evernote

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Devin think or whatever other

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So for a package, you know,

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Yes. I've

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I've tried a tried.

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I actually... I actually favor a hard bound notebooks

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always read

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You know,

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You

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you and me are the same. I have a series of those off

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do I have

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and

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Sometimes it's a bit difficult when I I'm trying to

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go back and find an idea that I knew I'd start to write down

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you know, a few years ago and it's in one of the older books.

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But, yes, I I am very much

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tactile person. I I need to to start my creative process

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with mind maps. And so

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actually, since we've got, can you enable things so that I can have video on here?

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Good gosh.

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And I'll show you some of that creative process. You have to make me a producer.

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Oh, blame me. Do you know I actually have not used this video on this

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thing. Why I just press

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press on press interview mode.

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Okay. So you have you

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I think you have to make me a producer as what you need to do.

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How good does that? Okay.

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Well, this is this

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And I i'll show you how I kinda start to

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that would... You,

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make them a producer. Look at that.

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Yeah. There we go. Hey.

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You. I a producer.

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Okay. So now it means that I can add some video

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So hang on a set care.

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while, while you're looking looking for these videos,

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I find that notebooks, inevitably work better because

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they help me

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They help me go back over thoughts.

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and ideas and and the conclusions

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I to start to start either start new dreams of thought or auto complete

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old ones with new insights that I've gained since I last

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open the particular another book and our usually have

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something like a dozen of them going.

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up any one time.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Yeah. Yeah. I'm impressed about dozen. So this is my current

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notebook that I've got on the go here.

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Oh, it's pretty.

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And if we open it up, so one of the things I think

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kind of nursing out on moment is web monetization, and I was

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I've been building a

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a course on what monetization the web monetization standard

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And so as I start to plan that that course,

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you can see here, like, you know, here's

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you know, one of the my maps that I've got on the go

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ideas going off all over the page.

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Yeah. Exactly. And then I liked what you just said to about, you know, how

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sometimes you have a couple of different notebooks going and so

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to figure, you know, when your

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that are sort of geared towards different things. That's probably a bit better and more organized than me.

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Because, for example, last week, Laurie and I

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did one of our talks that we've been doing on on wellness as the play.

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And so over on this side, I've got, you know, some of my notes

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Yep.

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for her, we kinda doing a birds of the feather session.

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but I had to... Like, I realized that when we last on that, it was

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it was in my previous notebook, which is right here and falling apart.

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so so

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Well, I just I just actually... Well you've been talking of of

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I've counted

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the the red

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notebook sitting on my side board here, and there eleven of them.

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Nice. That's impressive.

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So yes. Different different projects with different content

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And yes.

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it takes... It takes a little while to find things, but then I think the process of

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finding things actually is quite helpful because

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you end up going over notes that you had forgotten.

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and maybe adding bits and, you know,

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I don't use different colors. I mean, if we're talking about the kind of the workshop,

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workshop... You know, approach I don't use different

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but I only ever use for this kind of work. I only ever use a

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a pilot fine liner. Can you believe? And I... And I buy the by bloody

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things by the box. But I leave lots of room

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you know, in these notebooks books to to add different

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different bits and pieces and and and then your thoughts and new your insights

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they certainly

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Nice.

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work for me, You know?

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Yeah. Well, it sounds like you're better organized about yours.

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Well,

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one tries

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which is great. And so

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Well, it doesn't to take too much

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probably become better organized than it that I have. But, like, you know,

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So what I'll be doing is as I'm starting into figuring out,

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what I might like to create for Pan of

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initially thinking, you know, for my initial experiments

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project on there. It it'll be something smaller probably be something

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that works for

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for

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to fit in with with the course material that that I've gotten assignment on

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But what I'll do is I'll sort of go start

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experimenting on the platform, start making notes in my notebook on. Okay. This is this is

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what's working. And then I'll I'll pull up a mind map to

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to start jot dove some my ideas on on some of the different directions that

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I might like to

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to initially experiment with a bit of storytelling on the platform.

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and then one site

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This this kind of is is related

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to the idea of working on several projects at the

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same time, and

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And this is, you know, it's a it's a well tested practice.

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and the project may or may not even be related. I mean, if you're... You,

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I remember reading about Edison team.

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having dozens of experiments going on at the same time, and they would, you know,

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do stuff over here, and then we'll walk across to to to another

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experiment and have a bit of a fiddle and then leave that alone and and we went to the next one.

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painters

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rarely work.

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on one painting from start to finish before moving the next one, and I haven't

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meta musician who, you know, sits down

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starts bar one. Writes The song that then gets on with another

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snippets of projects.

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into twine, and that's part of the part of the creator

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process. Isn't it? I mean, they feed of each other.

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Oh, absolutely. So so in my world, I

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I kind of talk about it, like story worlds. So what I'm doing is I'm building

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story worlds out there. And so

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sort of... If if we kinda look at the story worlds I build like, at the middle of that

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center of that universe would be would be me and my

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of people that that I'm that I'm building with, and sort of, you know,

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from the... From from each of us, there's these expanding bubbles

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of the different worlds that we're creating out there.

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and quite often, those bubbles will then overlap so that one

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story helps to build upon the other story, especially when it comes

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of the audiences that we create.

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so that, you know, on the future story telling that we're doing

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it makes it easier to start to

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to start to

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draw audiences and expand what we're doing out there. So on a very small

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scale with that. You know, when I set up on starting go a couple weeks ago,

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the page with podcasting with my cat because, you know,

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As you do, of course, across

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we have to pay pay honor and homage to to Miss ella who hangs out with me

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you know? So so so within that, it's like, okay. Well, I've been playing with you with your

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podcast. So

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you know so so that page has got, you know,

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you know, a link to how people can start to go down the rabbit

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pull of each of those podcasts.

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And then and then similarly, it's got the rabbit holes for the the, you know,

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for the individual podcast that I'm building either on my own or or or

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with other other groups of people. And

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you know, so that it it

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it just

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it

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makes it

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Well, it means that you're you're bringing in people that are engaging with those stories right away. And I mean, that

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one of the things I'm loving about Fireside is it's also building up

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and expanding upon upon those

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those story worlds and those communities of of people that

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that that I'm engaging with and are are kind of making making my stories

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sure as I go.

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What if you... What if you just get stuck?

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What, if you were, like, wake up in the morning,

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and there's a blank page in front of you.

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the coffee is getting progressively colder and colder.

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And

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then that's when I know I need to go take a break

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and I need to go for a walk or do a yoga class.

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Do the the do do do what master vitamins

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what what what advise Right?

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commune with nature.

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Yeah.

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Well, absolutely. We were talking about that I believe two weeks ago.

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So

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That's that that's for me.

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the wisdom of going for walks.

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Yep. And that's for me where where I find my

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expiration is is whether it's it's going for a walk, whether it's

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because I

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you know, for whatever reason, if I can't take as as big a break or or go further their field then it

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like, you know,

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digging in the pots on my deck or cleaning off my decks

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I think

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switch both the need right now or

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I think most people's decks need cleaning after the last eighteen months.

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Yeah.

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somehow. I don't know. Or, maybe maybe some people have been having have been

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overly, you know, i've

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attentive to the to the decks, but well,

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we can talk about that some other time. But i I have a I and I've just

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you know, being a lot, i just least back and I have this wonderful quote.

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from master Gentlemen,

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which kind of goes

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like this.

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if you would indulge me a foot,

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and light hearted.

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I take to the open road

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healthy.

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free.

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the world before me, the long brown path before me,

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leading wherever I choose

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look at that. And there's there's a balance of

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in intentional, error and serendipity

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work here. Does that resonate at all?

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Yeah.

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So

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because I mean, this there is a there is a there is a choice

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but there a... There's also happens tense.

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Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Do you mind just reading that one more time?

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time race.

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It's it's quite wonderful a foot

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and light hearted

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I take to the open road

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healthy, free

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the world before me.

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the long brown path before me.

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leading wherever I choose.

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That's beautiful.

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so that actually

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reminds me how so quite often, if I'm on a

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a vacation just of my own making, which usually

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to be quite frank. Don't end up often being, like, you know, vacations in the normal sense

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vacations. No mm-mm mhmm.

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most people, they they they they more end up being kind of

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research drips.

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kind of like writers retreats or for me,

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Exactly. So

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that's that's part of the beauty of those trips.

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for inspiring me is often, I'll go with

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a notion of

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the project that I wanna work on when I'm going. I have to admit, but I have not always

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stuck to that project because sometimes when you've got that road that you're just

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you know, and embarking on something completely new hits you.

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And often when that happens, you've just gotta a run with it.

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and you've gotta see where that journey takes itself and and and what starts

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to unleash itself.

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you know, on the page of your notebooks.

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because that that that other project will still be there when you get back to it. Right?

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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And I mean, I guess that then goes back

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to the whole reason too why, you know, so many creative have

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have different ideas that are teasing at their not and that that they're that they're caught

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you know, working away and putting along on. But

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then it's also, you know, a also part of

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the creator journey wow

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while it's one that tends to be driven and one that

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that that

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you know, I feel so fortunate to have

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help the joy to kind of be constantly embarking on

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it

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it's also non easy one. And so so part of the

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the reality of

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of having those different projects that that you've

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that you've been building and that you've been working on is because

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they often the one that might be tick it your snot

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sees that any given time might not be the one that has the financing behind it.

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Well, that's one thing

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and and the one that's out your synapses may just be the

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the catalyst for the one that you actually

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want to do, but don't know it yet.

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Oh, absolutely. There's

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so often I'll find that, you know, something that I start down and start working on

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And and I think I know where I'm going on the whole thing.

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you know, along the way, it takes the branch to something else that becomes

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potentially even richer or or

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they gets me even more excited.

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and and it's kind of the part of

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that that whole world is is you've you've gotta be open to those things.

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and you also have to be open to how they adapt and how they evolve. And

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Well, yeah. Because they they the the flip side too

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having

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up

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at given moment having no inspiration

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is being able to say

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actually,

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I've been doing this all wrong, and I need to start again

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or this is a far better idea. And or, you know,

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these sorts of these sorts of processes, which which just seemed to

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arrive whenever whenever they want to write

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And I don't know that there's

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Yeah. And I don't know that there's necessarily a wrong when you're

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talking creativity.

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I think that there odd different ways of

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doing things or different ways of telling a story.

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that that may or may not

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you know, appeal to you at a given time or may or may not be right.

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to the for the audience that you're building to or or the people

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that you're working with.

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And and and I mean, I think that's all part of the the adapting. And

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and it's also

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you know, it's one of the things I've learned over the years

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is just because

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you're not getting the financing or the green light.

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on a particular story does not mean

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the story of lesser value by any stretch of the

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I I think

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Maybe it's just not the right time. Right?

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Yeah. I think that

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to, you know, my my first

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television show. I wrote

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was was a kid science show and

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you know, the first episode was on was on the greenhouse effect.

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And I remember having countless broadcasters tell me that I was

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creating things that were too smart and that kids would never understand this and would never embrace

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Downgrade.

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this. And

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I think, you know, and it's funny because

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you know, I was

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you know, in recent years, that's, you know, be the hottest

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you know, topic out there.

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Yeah. Yeah. Don't up. Tell great I'll say you So see what she's got to say.

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about that.

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This is the creative creative

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farm with me, Time and her hard fave.

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and we are talking about means and ways of

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allowing them users

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to sing to us

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even if the shall we say somewhat

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reluctant to do so. It is coming up

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to the top of the r slowly. So

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if

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someone in this wonderful tribe of humans in the studio tonight

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and I can see also sorts to smiling faces.

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And someone wants to throw something into the pot

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Please raise your

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append

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we will be sure to throw a microphone in your general direction Help could land near enough free

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to grab it.

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Is it?

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is it perhaps

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about nurturing

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a more patient relationship with time.

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or maybe not so much patient.

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but sort of a broader understanding of our relationship with

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time and how we use it up better reading

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precise conversations current conversations with Lately, and one gets

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the impression that old pablo cultivated a relationship with time that

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was about both

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an urgency to create and the patience

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to let things perc. Does that

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sound familiar at all.

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It it very much does.

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I love that.

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I I often need time and space in order to create

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like, so

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you know, when you're getting frustrated with me because I'm not answering your text

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messages right away when you've got a show started again

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you know, fifty minutes. It's awesome because

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all of my devices are on silence. So unless I glance

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screen. I I don't realize somebody's just texted me.

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And that that's that's perfectly

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I mean, that's

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it's purposely done that way because if I'm work

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in a world where I constantly have things that are ping at me constantly.

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that takes me

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Yeah.

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flushing and ping and

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bells going off. I mean, it's it's... Hell, isn't it?

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and it takes me away from

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Mhmm.

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and I don't then have the time and the space to create and

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think and to ponder and to to work

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through whatever it is that

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You you end up with a whether physical a coming in up you

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I end up with a physical egg if I constantly get interrupted and like,

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And I have to spend another twenty minutes just to get back to the damn I was

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you know, five minutes ago, before you interrupted to me, thanks very much.

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Absolutely. Absolutely. And so

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so I mean, so for me, that's that's that's part of

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you know, that's that's what I need to do. I need to to create those spaces

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for myself to to be able to

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to just dive into and and spend the time on the content.

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and the creative vision. But on the flip side where you have

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where you mentioned about having the pressure in there.

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the deadline in there. I all

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so need that because I have a

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very, very

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I don't know that it's a bad habit, but it's certainly a habit.

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of going further and further down the rabbit hole. And going further and further,

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deeper and deeper into research, which is part of what

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creates the beauty at the end of the day. However, I also know that at some point,

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I have to stop, and I just have to start creating and getting down the

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versions onto to the page.

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Otherwise, I'm gonna end up in a bit of

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a troubled situation of of

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missing.

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you may... You may. But then, ultimately, I think it it

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it

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shows in the depth and the quality of the work. I mean, if

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if we think back to

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a very famous saying of

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of of of George lucas from

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many years ago, the future has a post.

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So one of the reasons

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Star wars is such a such an evergreen

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So such an enjoyable

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multi generational experiences because

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we can get lost in uncovering the past

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of that future. And, of course, that means layers and layers

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of research and and and the dedication. I mean it you can't have

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can't have these sorts of results quickly. Can you know

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No. No. And that that's another reason for the multiple projects.

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too. Right? But

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Of course, they have to... They they have to have time

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And

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to calculate... Where Wendy when

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I mean, I would

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Oh, sorry.

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Now that's Wendy Cooper. Welcome.

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Welcome to the the the creative farm.

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Thank.

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what have you got to throw into the pot?

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Thank you so much.

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I... I'm sorry. I missed the first half. I think of the show.

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And I'm so enjoying this. I'm a creative. So

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I am so completely relating to

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everything that you are talking about. I deadlines, all of

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that. But I wanted to say that when I

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it's not even when I get stuck, It's more when

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let's say something new comes across, and and I really have to, You know,

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I really have to think about it. Right? I I really of someone will was to say to me,

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What should I name this? Or what should I do about that? I always say I

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can't answer that. Right? Now It's got a really

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really, you know, like, live with this for a while. And

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I too I go out in nature. I take walk i

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I'm fortunate because Have a large backyard and I love gardening. So

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I I have to do that or I pro profusely yesterday i was profusely

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cleaning my garage. And this is what

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I do, and everybody knows to stay away from me.

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that's my creative process, it's churning,

...

because you're not actually just completely cleaning the garage. The

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That's right.

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the the wheels are turning on the inside and you're actually processing stuff. Right?

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That's right. That's right. So it's it's

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it's the process I have gone through for probably twenty years. I didn't realize

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until someone pointed it out to me that

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You must have a really clean garage.

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Actually, I'm standing in a big mess

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right now, and the mess doesn't help because that doesn't clear my space either. But

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I just wanted to figure out. I love this, and I am sorry. I have

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jumped in before, but I I do know that you come into my shows.

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and I really really really love what you guys are talking about. So

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This is this is just beautiful, and I love to be surrounded by other creative

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people. So thank you so much for this.

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pleasure. Every every Monday night,

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Monday nineteen Europe

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sort of late afternoon in New York City, and then

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you know, what time is it in Vancouver? Erica.

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We just just

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just pass one o'clock in the afternoon.

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Well there you go?

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Mhmm

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Yep. And it's noon here in La. So

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Thank you. I just wanted to jump up and say everything that you're talking about is

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show and innate too, I think, a a true, but creative person

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the the the thing that I have on my desk

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when you were showing Erica, your scribble, I have a piece of

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of of, like, poster board underneath my

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key keypad that that I just scribble on all of the time.

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It's just

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scribble everywhere So it's pretty fun.

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at and it works, it absolutely works

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I mean, you ultimately

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it's not a pointless exercise as much as

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and the tractors would would would would love to

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to convince us. It is ups It absolutely does have a point.

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And I turn off my notifications also,

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Yeah.

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you know, if you... If if I'm not looking at my phone,

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then I'm not gonna see a notification.

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period. So I'm with you. Have a greek hand. Think I'm gonna

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protect myself back down into the audience.

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Thanks, Wendy.

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enjoy and enjoy.

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I always love hearing about different creative

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their their they're their proceeds process and

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You know, it's... You know,

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where it is that they build.

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i think I think, ultimately, it there's is only a handful of processes that that

...

that work, and we kind of end up

...

i'm using one or more

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of of those and

...

we we keep talking about the creative process on this show, and this is

...

and it is kind of central to the the general idea of what we do on the phone.

...

next to the weeding and the painting of the bomb and such things.

...

But one of the... One of the things that i I find, particularly

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fruitful. One of the the mechanisms

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that I point find, particularly

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should I say, inspiring? Is

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following my appetite for cultural treasures that belong

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to traditions other than

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my own now,

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as you may hear, you know, from from down under and

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we have some way in the order of

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eighteen national speaking somewhere in the order of one hundred and thirty languages. So

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it's kind of easy for me, but it's not difficult

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in this day and age too,

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reach out and

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find cultural pressures

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from halfway way around the world.

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it only takes a moment, and this is a

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this is a mechanism that as, of course, works

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for generations of artists and and musician

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from the west and the east.

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equally

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that's not work for you.

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it does. I mean, I find sometimes if I

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if I'm having to

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if I'm creating for a particular genre or particular space at a given time,

...

I'll often sort of dive into other work

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that that that other creative have

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have have made within that Genre in that space.

...

as a way of sort of

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finding inspiration,

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you know, seeing different people's ways of of

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creating and crafting and

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and sort of, you know, thinking upon

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what what what works for me within that.

...

And I mean... And sometimes this cell depends to, like,

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you know? So so I've got

...

a whole list of one of my projects that I'm building around right now is

...

is World war two stuff. So I have this

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whole list of audiobooks that that

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you know, whenever I start working on that project that I I start to

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to to listen to

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you know, kind of in my downtime.

...

sometimes so

...

you know, those those those listening pieces are

...

are also just lighter things that allow me to to

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to turn my my brain often and to relax.

...

And often when that's the case when I just need that turning my brain off and to relax,

...

my my guilty pleasure in that realm is

...

children inspection. And so I... My brother constantly me make

...

fun at me when I'm when I'm hanging out in Ontario, and he walked

...

into the kitchen to hear me listening to children's audio but class make

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kick my coffee in the morning.

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is the business.

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Oh, yeah. There's well, there's some have you less children fix out there? And

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I I I love, like, you know, the

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the the world that that allows you to escape him to

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in that that realm to... I've been really

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loving

...

the

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we're growing, I think, getting getting much more and more diversity

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in some of those spaces. And

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and it's

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and I think we're kind of finally coming to terms with

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I I remember this was probably going back

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twenty plus years ago now. But I remember

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then when I was sort of, you know, pitching one of my first children's series that

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the about television festival.

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And I was

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I was talking about, you know, a potential

...

production. I think it'd be in Australia or Germany, one of the two that I've been talking with

...

and so so I was talking to the Canadian broadcast.

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you're, you know, saying, okay. I've I've got some potential interest here.

...

And and and I was talking about the birth

...

see with within our cast of of of characters within the show too.

...

and the broadcaster turned and looked at me, and she said,

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why would children be interested?

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in hearing accents, and

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seeing people from different cultures.

...

Have you ever listened to

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kids, Honey,

...

I know. I know... I'm just sick thinking

...

now

...

it's like... What she doing... What's you're doing producing a kid's program, goodness, like,

...

Well, and and oh, yeah. Did

...

Yeah. That was... What the

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that same week was what I was told, but my content was too smart for kids.

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too.

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Isn't that isn't that just

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which i... You know, any any kid, anybody who knows the kid, that the

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dinosaurs will know that that kid probably knows way more about die the

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stores that most adults

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They can rattle off the bloody latin names of dozens of these bloody

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creatures never mind.

...

Well,

...

And I think back to my childhood and I don't think I was alone in this.

...

But I used to love to dive into stories.

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from different places.

...

there's nothing that kids love more than immerse themselves.

...

in worlds that unlike the round. I mean, it's it's delicious.

...

Yeah.

...

Exactly.

...

Yeah.

...

Yeah. And I mean... And that's... And and then it's

...

sparks curiosity to learn more to discover more to

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to get out into the world and and

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and explore

...

You mentioned just a few minutes ago, the

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idea of

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drifting off

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as as a as a practice, it

...

it actually it requires a certain level of its

...

experience to be able to do that.

...

Well, doesn't it? I mean, it's not

...

that easy to actually

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sit back and drift off and let

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your mind wonder

...

Well, yeah, that's interesting.

...

I

...

I think that's something that I've probably

...

learned the

...

older

...

like, the... With with more experience that

...

but I need to allow myself to do that. I I need to give my

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to

...

self the the time in the space to do that in order for

...

in order for the the the sort of the best works to

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come out of out of my mind in my imagination.

...

it's

...

I I

...

it's it's interesting no because as you say that,

...

I'm also sort of thinking about

...

you know, maybe what somebody in a regular work world would do

...

and

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I have to admit that

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you know, there's there's not too many regular work worlds i've... I this

...

did with him just in the sense that

...

I... You know, I was

...

very fortunate to start my own business while I was still doing my

...

first University degree. And while that was a business with

...

kids. It was also creative business with kids.

...

So, you know... Yeah. I couldn't

...

Well, I... I mean, I could drift off when I was with the

...

kids, but I can drift off by by play acting

...

and that those sort of things, obviously, I have to be, you know, present as far as safety and

...

and and those elements go with the kids and

...

you know, in conscious of time, Although that's never been my my strong suit of life.

...

But

...

Yeah. I mean,

...

I... You know, I don't go to a nine to five, you know, in a

...

cubicle, you know, where where one has to

...

Oh, I don't think anyone that goes to a chemical any anymore them and like, they these things

...

these things are now occur confined to the trash heap of history.

...

Also, so we

...

So we hope now

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I I have said this

...

before once twice, so I don't know I kind of come up with this.

...

at the least appropriate moments, but the rest of life

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for me is merely support

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architecture from music.

...

which in the context of what we're talking about,

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And

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please forgive a freak with more music and space.

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means that music in turn

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reciprocal

...

And over the years, I've developed enough

...

of an understanding of of how I work and how I work with

...

music to be able to select the right kind of

...

soundtrack, if you will,

...

to get things moving.

...

and keep them there. Is there something like

...

mental rubric

...

for you to you, would you refer, for instance,

...

when I'm when I'm writing, I fine

...

songs with vocals I can understand just to distracting

...

well, if I'm working on layouts,

...

Pearl Jam.

...

usually quite loud. Might just be the ticket

...

not that you necessarily understand Eddie that

...

of the time. But I digress, do you find

...

that music works for you.

...

like that.

...

also where the a different kind of music text

...

you down a different path and is conducive to a different kind of activity

...

I have to admit that I haven't really

...

explored that hugely with music, their hub moments

...

where I've picked particular music for things

...

to to drown out other noises around me.

...

in order to, you know, I'm a terrible instructor.

...

so sometimes, I I... You know, so that I don't

...

you know, focus on on another conversation that that's

...

that's happening

...

Some of the best script ideas have been eased dropped off

...

Oh, absolutely.

...

cafes and and other establishments.

...

Yeah. And there are moments where

...

for that reason too, sometimes,

...

those are environments that I need in order to

...

to finish something offer or to get started on something.

...

I know sometimes when I've had a magazine deadline,

...

and I've realized that if I stay at home,

...

and right at home, I'm getting too sleepy or finding

...

too many

...

too many distractions to to sort of

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to procrastinate with. So so I'll pick up my book and

...

you know, go to the local pub and have a beer.

...

and

...

and the noise in that space, even though it's usually quite noisy,

...

it it actually seems to help to contribute

...

to me being able to focus on the deadline at hand and and and get the work

...

done and with the little bits of of

...

you know, eve dropping that my mind does

...

it

...

and... You know, I can

...

it it seems to to help into spark and to

...

catalyze.

...

This is this is a actually a well documented phenomenon

...

that

...

not necessarily even dropping after that may did work, but

...

something akin to intelligible

...

conversation at roughly forty five to fifty decibels.

...

is actually quite conducive too

...

writers, for instance, being able to to focus their minds.

...

on the job at hand. So it's distracting enough

...

for you,

...

to not be hearing it as it well.

...

but it's not a so loud that it it actually takes over the

...

the bandwidth on the inside. Is that more or less you're what you're talking about?

...

i think so sometimes it helps me too when

...

conversations are another languages, which

...

which often happens when I'm when I'm traveling and, you know, needs plan

...

you know, spend some time on my talk at the bar of a hotel or

...

actually surprisingly happens

...

quite frequently here in Vancouver where

...

we've got so many different languages that are being spoke spoken around us.

...

I actually find that really comforting, you know, those sounds of those other languages

...

sort of happening around me and

...

And I don't

...

Yeah.

...

having having that noise there, but but that noise there where

...

where it's not necessarily pulling me away from from my work.

...

What about what about turning off the noise?

...

the zen idea

...

empty the mind

...

for me, somehow means turning off the chatter

...

in my head.

...

Well,

...

I mean, not... Well yeah. That swear something like mindfulness.

...

and yoga can sometimes really breathing it

...

exercises can really help

...

because that noise... It's just generally annoying

...

I mean it really has anything good and useful to say.

...

Mhmm.

...

You know this the talking in your head. Well, I don't know the talk

...

in my head can be great unless I'm anxious or something.

...

and and that it can be horrible and

...

potentially very distracting from from actually getting getting

...

the the work at hand done.

...

But I mean, I guess, you know... I mean, going back to that whole, you know,

...

spending time in nature with one of those notebooks.

...

can often be a good thing to me too because the noise and that environments

...

Wow we were talking about about forest

...

Yeah.

...

forest bathing, not that long ago. Right?

...

is

...

exactly. And the noise in that environment is

...

I find very relaxing and soothing, and it does

...

you know, those similar more things that, you know, since

...

spending some tight and mindfulness we'll do for me. It it said else takes me back

...

to

...

you know, kind of thinking on an activity that I used to do with kids

...

when I was in my parks natural days, which

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where I'd actually get them just to sit

...

find a spot in nature and just

...

sit and be quiet and just observe within that that

...

spot for

...

you know,

...

five, ten minutes.

...

with without sort of being occupied and another

...

conversation or listening to anything else or

...

And they did that

...

or, you know, any sort of other activity?

...

without getting chronic irregular,

...

It's

...

I think he... I think it usually was best, you know, kind more as a

...

you know,

...

a ten minute activity because I think you the first five minutes would be the

...

you know, instead of calming the regal bump. But it it was it it's always

...

kind of amazing when the kids actually did it and they they said of

...

ended up

...

fully admiring themselves in that it it opened them up

...

only worlds and and discovering and seeing new things that that

...

you know, as we're moving by too quickly, seem to

...

to

...

we we we this out on.

...

So is that is that is that the lesson? Maybe, maybe it's a

...

It's a lesson in slowing down. I said

...

bank.

...

a question of not not stressing out, you know?

...

Yeah.

...

letting it wash over you.

...

Yeah. Yeah.

...

and allowing ourselves to be

...

to be to be common in the moment.

...

It's it's something I'd be revisiting in in recent years.

...

just through learning more and more about mindfulness and kind of

...

you know, whether it's walking down the street and just sort of

...

pulling myself into kind of experiencing that moment.

...

and

...

noticing, like, the field, the wind on my skin or

...

or the the sun on my skin or

...

you know, all the different noises that that are

...

that are naturally around me and any need given timer space.

...

And and I think that that helps to calm those those other

...

other voices in your head that might

...

potentially be distracting from from

...

the the creative work that you need to do at hand.

...

So there are our recipes, but there are

...

approaches. Shall we say?

...

Right.

...

Yeah. And I think, you know, different approaches work for different people.

...

like, you were talking... Like,

...

like so so some people, for example,

...

you know, in their creative process, they might be listening to heavy metal.

...

that sounds like helped me. But I respect, but that's what works

...

for them.

...

Oh it depends on the on on on the

...

kind of metal. Come on. Come on.

...

There there are there are

...

that that's, you know, again,

...

there are, you know, a sub genres within within that category.

...

that's actually

...

I think I would even use the word delightful.

...

Well, and those are one of the moments where, you know,

...

you as a fellow creative, but I respect your process.

...

and I will happily find my own environment that doesn't have that.

...

I'm not talking about, you know,

...

small town norwegian death metal. That's just that is

...

possibly just a little beyond my

...

Catholic,

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with the small.

...

expansive spectrum of of musical taste.

...

I think I think we should actually leave it

...

care because, of course, as always,

...

we can keep talking till the cows come home not that they're randy

...

on the farm. This is a sheet farm, but you know what I mean?

...

so I think

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I thank Erica Hard drive, for

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making the long trip from Uncover

...

contributing to the weeding of the onions.

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And many thanks to

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they gathered massachusetts who have so passionately

...

listened to our rambling in this studio. Thank you to Wendy.

...

popping in

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and and

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giving us your

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spend on the creative process.

...

And yes, this has been the creative farm

...

and it will be again, next Monday same time.

...

I have no idea what we'll be talking about, but I'm sure while we're painting, they have the

...

the bombs or we'll we'll come up with some

...

some good things to to tackle

...

Thank you. And good night.

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Thank you, Rave.

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And thank you, everybody who's is out there in

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in our in our audience today and Wendy for sharing with us.

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It's been

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