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I say, to begin at the beginning,

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which

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Really is all very well, except

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A lot of the time, the creative process doesn't not offer the practitioner

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and opportunity to progress

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neatly.

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from

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Well, beginning,

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to middle and to end

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Sometimes when

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is given that chance, but more often than not

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a balancing act between

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the planned

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the spontaneous

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they improvised

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and the structured

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as,

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there are few recipes

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And we can only... But keep learning from the

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the purchase of others

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And and from our own mistakes, of course,

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This is the creative farm.

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and speaking of mistakes, I'm hoping not to drop this

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pile of lime. I'm carrying.

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so as to help me with that phone, but I've asked

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a studio regular Erica hard.

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to give me a hand with that. Aero getting is self organized

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with her safety gear and and gloves and and

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and things and was heavier and she said she about to to put on a very fetching

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fetching. I'm sure

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Erica is a

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a writer and the multimedia producer in hana Vancouver from where

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is joining us.

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tonight, Erica. Welcome to the creative farm.

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Hello, Race, and it is the delight

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to be back here on the creative farm. Sorry about my

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slow slowness and accepting I was I was trying

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said out of tweet and then gave up part way through.

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Well, the stick this, you know, I'm

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And here is me thinking that you're putting on your safety goggles and

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and and they're fetching Apron. Never mind. Never mind.

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I'm never quite that safe.

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I

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No. Maybe that

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one of one of the the things we're going to discuss tonight

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safety and and and not safety and just

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Just letting go. How do you begin a project? Whether do you start?

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Well,

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you know, for those of you that tuned in last week, and I

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I think Mark was here.

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one of the things that

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I always start when I'm starting a project is

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is with my little notebook and my mind map

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in that notebook and instead of flesh out all the ideas and

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and inviting a few people into the kitchen to help help

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stir the pot with me. And so I've I'm kind of in that that space today.

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because because... Because that's what i'm doing right now. I'm

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in the process of

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Okay. Tell tell.

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putting a proposal for a new project to odin into the universe.

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Tell.

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Yeah. So this one is actually a project of

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that Laurie has been wanting to to do

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This this... This this mythical lowering you keep talking about your

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your your hello business partner. You know, we are going to have to drag her out to

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on after the farm one day because we keep hearing about her and

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and, you know, the suspense is killing me, but that less about the project.

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You know, we definitely have to have Glory on the farm because

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because she's so much more delightful that I have. So

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I couldn't possibly imagine

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but she's

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I melt from the anticipation

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And she is here on Fireside. She's

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she's she's she's showing up on a couple of couple of of

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of my shows and

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And I'll say if nothing.

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It will end and she has

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she was, you know, she was

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when I... When I joined you, a Ted floor saw, she was watching the

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dream live. And I actually ended up with a message from her right off.

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we right after I got off the stage.

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So she is not not like, like, like the

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delightful Emmy, She actually does exist.

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she does exist. I know I've actually had that

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question about her on.

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for those of you in the audience, that have no clue to what race

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that I are talking about.

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Well, the hell are we talking about?

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I have a background of creating characters that

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that might seem real

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But but her all pigments of my imagination

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Laurie, however, while an absolute not to light is

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is actually real and not just a ignorant to my imagination

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and the beauty with Laurie is that she's

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Well, she's hidden behind the scenes for for much

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of the last decade of her and I working together.

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she in the last year has been

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sort of

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stepping out from behind the screen and

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and joining me and In a lot more

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we're we're going to... We're going to have to

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live things.

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to rip that bush from from her

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from her hands and let the light shine. But let's get back to the project.

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Yeah.

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you're just starting out on because this is what we're talking about tonight.

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So so when I

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had had my car accident

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and have a little bit of a long road to recovery.

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as I started figuring out all that out,

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Laurie, she she had her her proud on the farm.

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and she started to prod me to act

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create and start sharing some of what I'd learned

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on on sort of my my my journey to recovery and to

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And and the ways in which I was

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I was finding my pathway forward and Pathway forward that

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a podcast that is a part of the proposal that we just

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put together and one that we're hoping to watch here on

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the creative farm, and that would have Laurie Co hosting that with me.

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How good is that?

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But... Yeah. So... So put

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they they use the use are getting excited.

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Yeah. So it's so i

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I always... I always like to have sheep at me. So

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Yeah. So this particular project

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I'd held off for years because whenever something has happened

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to me,

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we lost business, and we certainly did lose business with

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are accident and I was fearful that if we talked about my disabilities,

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that

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we would continue to lose work. And so

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Our last series naturally ours we

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purposely put it out into the universe to show people that I was okay

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and to start building in a way so that people would see that

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Yes. I might have a number of disabilities

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but that does not stop us from being able to create and be able

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to

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builds build projects of beauty. And so

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finally,

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in twenty nineteen.

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I started to... I stopped pushing that from Laurie

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Larry prod on the farm, and I

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started to share some of that story. And

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And so with that, we've created

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we've been developing a series called the chronic pain chronicles.

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that would be all about sort of sharing that journey

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forward sharing different ways that

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people

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can can can manage paid long term

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And so with this

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project that we're building right now with that we're kind of doing it. It's a it's a

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few different parts. So there's

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one part of it would be

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web series.

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We'd also cut a web series into

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a standalone documentary as well. And then

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we are building for the story to go classroom site

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we're building a whole health and wellness studio that would have

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sort of open access courses.

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that would be all about sort of

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some of the things that we share in the video. So while they'd be about managing chronic

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pain, we'd be sharing in a away so that they were used

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to other people to

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would be so that you

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know more about health and wellness where you don't actually happen to

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be suffering from pain to to find the things useful. So, course is in mindfulness.

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yoga, art therapy, drama therapy,

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dance, all all sorts of things like that as well as, like,

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So

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stop at stop it Otherwise... Where do I sign up?

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So so, yeah, so that's what we've been working on or working with

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amazing woman of brussels on the project to her name of

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pamela Alexander, and she has also joined us here on Fireside

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for in a previous podcast glory.

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And so so, yeah, so as I get excited about these things next

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to build these things. Like, you know, the first rendition might be a conversation with glory.

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and Kelly Con, who is

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our favorite film maker care to work with. And

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you know, from there, I start flushing these. These ideas out in these my math

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and in my my crazy notebooks that are filled with scribble,

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and and and then start to to get all that

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down on paper and in a format that

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other people might be able to decipher the

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So so you you a map.

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the strange workings of my mind.

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you're a map or or or a scout do you figure out the the the

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the layer of the land. Or you set out to discover? Not not later.

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one oneplus the project is the underway, but at the beginning,

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Oh, so... So it's definitely

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Definitely, I would say I'm

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i'm more of a skater. So, yes, there's a mind math that's involved

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...but that's got all my multitude of ideas, but those are kind of the way my mind maps

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work is definitely how my mind works in terms of

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expanding story worlds and then, you know,

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the then expanded store universes. And so

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you know, as these things kinda of flow out there,

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they're

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they're they're growing and they have many different directions in which they they could go in.

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and and often, you know, depending on the budgets,

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that we're playing with, I'll often start on one small aspect.

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but where where I have these expanding universes in minds that that these

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these different things that we're creating can grow in later on.

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as

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is often the case. You start with something simple let it

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it proved out and then then say, see what you can build on that. But

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if we were,

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if we were to take the definition of the process of arriving,

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at new ideas, and we'll we'll talk about that some more

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in a bit, But if we were to take the definition of the process,

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as connecting of existing ideas.

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and really, it's a it's a pretty good working definition so

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i'm going to argue here. Do you

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for example, go over these old notebooks that

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we keep talking about

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ghosts of projects passed.

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I I don't

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Yeah. So so it it all depends. I mean,

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The reality is this, yes, They all have they nothing get

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recycled of those notebooks. They they have a space

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and on my shelf, and sometimes I go back and revisit them and

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try to find

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you mean, the notebooks don't get recycled though the ideas in the may.

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Oh, oh, absolutely. Yes.

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And so so, yes, sometimes I revisit them.

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often though, they'll have some sort of

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restoration that I've, you know, sort of

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turned into a more

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sort of tangible project that has

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has, you know, a shape and a structure around that

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and those things will will end up online and in our Dropbox

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And so, like, for this project, when I first

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sort of crafted this. This would have been, I crafted it to

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go a year and a half ago,

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we... And we sort of put a

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first transition of it into a

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sort of into a fund that, like, a funding pitch

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that we didn't receive the funding for.

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So whereas is

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this this time

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you know, in sort of, like, I knew when we were sort of approaching this

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particular funding pitch. That this is what I wanted to

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pitch, and I knew that I

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wanted to expand beyond what I started with that that

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that previous pitch and and and build the whole health the while in the studio to a accompany

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company it. And also, because it's it's

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specifically for grant for the web. We're also looking at

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a whole web monetization component to it because

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one of the things about the chronic

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pain community who we'd ultimately be using

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the scrap to to reach with with the whole idea of web monetization which

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for those of you that are are not familiar with that. That's

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basically building

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a more equitable web for creators

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and

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with

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with that chronic pain community

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that's community who a lot of them have had their whole work worlds

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turned upside down.

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decimated because

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Yeah. Because you

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like, you know, part of the reason why

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I haven't lost everything is because

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we already worked in a different way as a team.

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and we already worked where

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you know, as

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as

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where we had clients and where we knew how to ask

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for being able to not work in people's office

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says because I can't go and sit in an office.

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all day long. I can't deal with

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all the different noises and

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the lack of control for my light in my environment. The lack of ability

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to be able to work in a way that work

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the the discomfort

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for me, which sometimes is lying down with my computer.

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this discomfort goes goes strat atmospheric.

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Yeah. And so so this

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like... So the whole idea of web monetization is, like, this

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thing of great hope that

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for that community could begin to create some

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really powerful differences.

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And and and so, like, you know, so that

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where you're not necessarily behold

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to

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an the army of gatekeeper. Right?

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No. No. And one of the beauties with it too is that

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I think... I mean, and certainly for me, one of my sort of

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things that have helped me to move forward

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is the fact that I can escape into my creative world

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so I can I can escape my body and not be focused

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sing on the pain all the time. So I was focusing on the pain all the time.

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Well,

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it would just become more more debilitating.

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And so

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So you've already got a community that I think many of the most

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sounds begun to find that creativity is is

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is mesquite for them is a way to to manage their pain.

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And so if they're already creating,

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the whole notion of

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than than being able to get to earn in a different way from

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from

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that creativity that they're already doing.

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is exciting, and it presents like, this whole

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presents hope. And and and so that's that's

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that's the other part of what we're working on right here now with with this particular

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killer pitch is

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is is educating that community through building

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resources, but that also

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hopefully, will be of of of help for them.

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So so this is

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and give them hope on a few different levels.

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This is a project which obviously began

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on the inside for you literally

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and the direction was

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set out

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if not necessarily in detail and in, like a general

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course from the beginning, but do you you a start

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where there is no obvious direction. What do you do?

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when you have to not so much set the course, but find the name.

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compass to begin with.

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five them. Of course, let's go back to to that

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that project, but we were talking about last week of having a platform that wants

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me to experiment with creating some new pieces

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story on it And you're so you're just sort of sitting there going okay. So there's a platform, and this is what it

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can do, and and they now want me to create something to

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to to

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that they can, you know, potentially use as as a

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as a model for them.

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so that that always is, you know, a little bit trickier when when you you

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you haven't got sort of

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that that spark that's that that's that's driving things.

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You know, in in in those cases,

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And I I think I mentioned this on last week's show too is

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you know, then I ultimately

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we'll

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dive into a little bit of experimentation, like, you know, sort of

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you know,

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get my get my feet wet in the

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in the in the the the ponds,

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So in immersion,

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and and and then sort of start to

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Yeah. And start to feel what

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you know, as I as I start to experiment and

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and create on a small skill and

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immerse myself in the space.

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you know, what starts what start singing in my head what

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start singing in my imagination. And and that's ultimately what I did here when I first

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came to Fireside. I mean, you know,

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you very kindly invited me onto your shows. So

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I I got that

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you know,

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ability to start experimenting and playing with you in the space. But

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I would not have missed the opportunity.

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But then I... You know, I also did that by, like,

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kind of, you know, jumping into to other people's shows. I think Laura hope here, I think hers gonna

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shows was one of the first ones I jumped into on Fireside.

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and, you know, and instead of

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see what other people are doing out there. And

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And then seeing sync seeing okay. What what's resonating with me? What am my

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what am I enjoying about this? What

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What's what's something I might like to do as

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as an initial experiment in this space.

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So well, imagine immersion is great

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because you you are

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you are subject yourself

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to this

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to the subject matter ready.

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without necessarily having to decide

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from the start

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which way you want to swim? It works for me certainly because I mean

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if I'm starting a major,

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project are usually by a bunch of books.

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kind of around the subject.

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not necessarily even

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read them cover to cover, but kind of browse peck at them.

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I do the same thing. Yeah.

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and then go, you know, go down various Internet rabbit holes.

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Yeah.

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medium articles, you know, professional see what professional writers in the area have

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have to say, even, you know, old school magazines though they're those

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I have to admit

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two to lesson less.

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How do you actually immerse? I mean, where... You know, what are your audio?

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go to

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mechanisms.

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So I don't know that I have a go to.

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when you started talking there about, you know, the books and things that you get

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when you're you're sort of diving into a different

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you know, something that you're exploring. I I glanced over

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at the top book shelf across from me right now because that top

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shelf has a row of

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sort of

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I guess

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you know, silly fun light

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romance reads, like kind of like from com style, which

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we're all bought

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for

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when I create for fact that I've been writing

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the any... The the sort of

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trans media character that I create. She was acts

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intended for

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a series of novels. And so

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So although she kinda took on a whole life of her own, which is why I haven't I

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she finished

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the first novel, although I'm very close.

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she had ended up being a media personality and well done well done Emmy.

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Yeah. Yeah. And

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and I still wanna do this with her. I still want to. I just need to hit

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pause on on a bunch of the other things I'm doing so that I can focus on finishing her first

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book and then, you know, possibly starting the future book followed of which I've written

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various sections of already. But

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...but that's what I did is I I I went to the bookstore store.

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And I talked was one of my favorite stars in

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Victoria, which is called rose, which is whenever anybody's in Victoria B,

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go it and visit the rows at some of the lovely lovely bookstore.

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So, yeah, I actually went into to their book

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store, and I asked some person... I explain something what I was doing, and I asked them for some different

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recommendations. And so I have this

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lovely little romantic comedy section of my

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and they're not they're not all all form like,

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No.

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like in bills and boom by page forty five. This has has to have happened.

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no. And in fact, you know, the ending of of of the first novel

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Well, instead of, you know, here's a, you know, huge spoiler, but

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I mean, I think pretty many who actually know me, it's probably not a spoiler, but

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it's the realization that that's, you know,

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that I I gal does not need to

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you know,

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Get married settle down. Have kids?

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I have have a have a

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have a have a man to to have a life full of

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of of of love and

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and fulfillment. So

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What was i? Where was I going with that?

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Yeah. We've got the

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where we're talking, we're talking about diving into into different

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different streams in order to immerse yourself.

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Yeah.

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in in the subject matter.

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So I mean, so that that's that's one way. And so that

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I picked that particular way of doing things for that one because

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because I do want to produce a novel for for her. So

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so I I dove into to that form of media.

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just like when I decided that I was having so much

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fun playing with you on Fireside that I wanted to

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you know, create

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one or potentially a few as it's now turning out. Shows

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shows of my own. What I did is I am immersed myself in

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and taking in other people's shows and enjoying other people

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shows and seeing what different people were doing out there.

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And and and... And, yeah, let's see

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I mean, it's a little bit different.

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The wonderful. The wonderful thing that that that

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that

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is that you

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definitions of, you know, immersion and starting and

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and and everything around that

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They're often arbitrary.

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and they will differ from one discipline to another.

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Absolutely.

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you know, I have known writers

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who wouldn't start until they knew how this... How the story would end.

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and others would set out with kind of delicious anticipation.

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you know, Stemming from not having the faint idea of how it would end.

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and the the story would be the discovery process. Are you are you either of the of these

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I I'm I'm I'm ten of the girl. It tends

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to dive into the the ramble patch head first.

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and literally, I did as a child quite often.

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join the club.

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I

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So

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So so, yeah, I can't say that I I ever know

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where the add dig is gonna be until, usually until I get there, Sometimes it'll hit

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need part way through. But usually, that time, like,

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you know, sort of a story that

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is is designed to have an end, like, like, like at first novel, for example,

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But

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It

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it's the

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I

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For me, you know, so much the

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fun is about the journey and and letting go where

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I mean, I think there is probably a stage where I thought I needed

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to know what the ending was gonna be and then kind of in life I've discovered

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that

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as as I go about these different things,

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the richer

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rich things come out of

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sort of opening them up to working on and sharing with other people.

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and

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for sort of embracing

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where that journey takes me.

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And and while sometimes that journey

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might

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slightly resemble what I think the end out

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come is gonna be often often that takes me some place totally different and

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especially when I'm building with other people, a much more rich

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place and what I was initially

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know, sort of envisioning. And so that... So that kinda of when I get

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there. I'm kind of blown away. Like, my... Oh my god.

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I I never thought this was possible. So, yeah,

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Well, you turn a page and and next thing you know, you on

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you unicorn pops out, you know, never know what can happen.

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this is the creative farm

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with with her hard drive and me,

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That's me. And we are talking about beginning

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we're talking about how to

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start a project and the different ways of approaching

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creative a

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processes depending on whether actually

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have the project defined or not

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And what kind of what kind of process it may be?

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And, of course, in the grand tradition of the farm,

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and many shows like it.

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If you have something

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something to throw into the pot, please.

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wave your arms about and and you know,

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grab our attention somehow and we'll we'll

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from microphone in your in a, general general direction, and and

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and have a chat.

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I know we've got Paul Mat, who is

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a an actor in an improv artist, and I wonder if he has

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some thoughts on on where he gets started.

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Oh some of my favorite people are are I improve artists

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I mean, talk about not being able where the damn story is going. That's like

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you know, give me some. Gimme me give me like, like, gimme me give me three elements. Second. Yeah.

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Yeah. Mean if

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po is to it It would be great to see

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how

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how he starts on

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on that journey, and it needs to be kind of immediate kickstarter start and and off

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to sixty miles an hour. Otherwise, otherwise, they'll just not... They'll just not

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tell with you. Will they? Okay.

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So you have

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figured it out.

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how and where to start?

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How does the next step look like for you? What do you concentrate on?

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in order to then be able to actually fully

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get, you know, get working on a project.

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One of my things is is, you know,

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of thinking about the team that I wanna be working with.

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and and that sort of become increasingly important to me with

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with age just in in in realizing that

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If you if you wanna go go fast, go alone if you wanna go far, go together. Right?

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Well,

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but not just that to, like, it's

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it's

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it it's the the realization that

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when I'm creating with people that I trust and

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that

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are also that trust me and are not afraid

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to add their creative vision into an idea.

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and sort of adopt the project as

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their own just as much as it's mine it's theirs.

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I I I find that the richest

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n

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the most amazing, you know, things that I wasn't sort of envisioning

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come out of those projects. And so so that's really

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become a part of that that for me, and I I certainly have my my my goat

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two's, like, like Kelly Con, the film

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care that we work with on Vancouver Island too. I I always sort of read

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these ideas out with and I hope because

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you know, I don't have the same budgets behind me as other people do.

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I always hope that, you know,

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shell... You know, she hasn't got too big yet that

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she's... I well mind you, I want her to get everything that she

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she wants the needs in life, but, you know, I always hope that, you know, I'm not two small potatoes.

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for her.

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Well, once she... Once she's collected, collected a few of those buffers, I'm sure

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she'll she'll she'll especially keep coming back to you because

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of the kind of, you know, creative freedom that's often

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associated and went with glasses of productions.

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know.

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Well, well, this is just it.

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and this is what I love about Kelly is, you know, she's caught

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jumping into these things with us.

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even though she she she she knows

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like, you know, that that

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we don't have

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typically, the same budgets that that, you know, that

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sort of bigger productions would have

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But and and and so today, and this was part of it today as

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and swift

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we've sort of for the Next project we're

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we're talking to

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two new people that were sort of bringing into that

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that creates spectrum things at the early stages. We have some other new people that

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we're bringing in

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hopefully, what's we've funding for this at the later stages, but

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but these two people are are new at the very beginning

...

stages, and it was really interesting because

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I I was having to do a lot of poking to say, oh,

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people, you know, give me... You know, what do you think? Do you like this

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do not like this other ideas, you know, which directions

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And and so finally, this morning, I said of... I had somebody, you know, one of the new people

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so of say, well, I I just need, like, a little bit of scope on on

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on

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how much... And it was actually because we were talking about a budget, but, like, how much

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how much... You know, how much of they're... Like,

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you know, was this just my my vision that they were

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And what was what were they supposed to do within that vision sort of thing?

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And and it sort of hit me sideways because I I thought I'd explained I thought

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you know, I just... I'm so used to working with with Kelly and Laurie who who know that

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saw that

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I'm

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I I'm not expecting everybody to stick with my vision, and that's just our starting point.

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to then then

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than unleash our creativity on

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And and so it was really interesting. So I I sort of

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you know, explain this whole philosophy on on on how we work together and

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you know, how it's... We we don't work on a tiered system.

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it's much more like the mind webs and my or the mind maps.

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in my book where, you know, we're we're all

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on the same playing fields and and and equals

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So. It's it sounds like it sounds like like the questions about

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structure come in pretty early.

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because I mean, they certainly do

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in book projects for me when

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when I don't actually get excited about the book until

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I see what's what's what's what's called the trailer flat plan, which is like a

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many light out of all the

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all the all the pages, and we're just by just starting actually,

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on a new book project with Bomber.

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and it'll be down through the autumn and winter so after some

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some quick spit bowling with the editor i've just gone ahead and done a flat plan.

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which then gives me, you know, this is how many pages per chapter

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this is more less how many illustrations. Oh, so we're gonna have hundred and twenty eight pages.

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So we know what kind of what what kind of book we we are we to expect

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Okay.

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So it's this the kind of the sort of thing that you're talking about when you're talking about, you know,

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having enough structure

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Well, I'm thinking right now, that

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I'm thinking right now that you are farmer structured and organized be race.

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I actually... I

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that's that's a compliment. I wasn't expecting to that today, however,

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I actually

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I I think, you know, ultimately, the way the way I work with this

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with

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my teams is

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Well, yes, we have a vision for for what it is. We're gonna create, like,

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we're gonna create, you know,

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at a at minimum four part,

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doc series. I've read or sort web series. I've written in four part just just

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because I I suspect we'll more likely deliver six

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but I'd rather over deliver that under.

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we know we're going to create a documentary with it.

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we know that we are building a health and wellness

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studio with openly accessible asynchronous courses.

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and we know that we're going to have a

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you know, a podcast that has

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that that that share stories of of hope

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and, you know, pathways forward as a part of this thing. So

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aside from knowing that that's what we're building.

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how we get there and

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how that looks in the end.

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well, yes, I have a... You know, I've written up in an initial structure to

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to the series and

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and written down what I'm envisioning with it.

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but

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after we've got that,

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And so I guess, yes, structure There are even so.

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trying to deny that there is after we've got that,

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and as we're inviting these other people,

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given into to it own it.

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as we're inviting these other people into

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to create with us to to adopt this is their project

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as well. And and I'd hopefully create some beauty

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together.

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that's where

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and and I find this... This an interesting one because often with

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the things that we're creating, you know,

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and like a show like this, like, I I will be the host on it.

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And so it was it was like, that was a big hard find on finding Kelly with

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finding a director that was not gonna have a problem.

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actually directing and the person who

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was inevitably gathering the money to pay the bills on everything.

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So so that first project we did together, I was essentially

...

you know, in when we have, you know, worse

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structured systems. I was essentially the boss

...

simply because I was paying the bills, but I needed her to treat me

...

as to actually direct me and tell me when I wasn't doing sub

...

thing up to Snuff and tell me if

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if I needed to redo something or tell me if she had a different

...

vision for how to do it and something for us to try and

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experiment with. And, you know,

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a lot of me sort of figuring out those people is is kind of it's an

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thing of, you know, spending some time talking to them.

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And in Kelly's case, it was kind of a whole bit of magic because she I

...

actually,

...

had met until the morning, we started filming together. So while we'd had

...

phone call conversations. We hadn't met to that first morning.

...

And and so the first morning, it was probably our worst morning of filming just because

...

you know, she was still feeling me out, but as soon as she included head,

...

it was

...

it was just awesome. And, and, you know, and it was, you know, where we started to create the magic

...

when she when she fully realized that what I was telling her

...

on the fact of that I wanted her to adopt the project

...

and share and input her ideas and that it was much

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hers as it was mine or was lau.

...

And and so that was the conversation that I essentially had this morning with the one of the new

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people that we're we're pulling on to this next project is

...

is there is that reservation even though I thought she

...

you know, it already realized this and there is this reservation. And so then as I

...

explained. Okay. Here's

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here's how we work together and why we work well together.

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And and why mods it happens, what we work together.

...

And and it was really exciting because I was getting nervous when I

...

pay that, you know, and I explain that because it's like, okay. Is this person

...

I if I made the wrong decision here or is this person gonna

...

you know,

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the the people

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is this the type of person that's gonna get excited about it? And and just before I got on with you, I got that

...

Mhmm.

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excited email back of of oh,

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this is the way that I wanna work. And

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And and it's just because we were new to her.

...

you know, she was holding back on sharing her vision because she didn't

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she didn't want us to think that she was

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to pushy or wasn't buying into what we were create. You know, it

...

So that that's always the interesting part and and and, you know, that's figuring out

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you know

...

how you set that up and how you find those people that will embrace

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that

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How do you find that people who don't necessarily

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have that up the

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inception as it were.

...

often

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Oh that

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degree of trust

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required, you know, to to to go down that path. They actually

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grow into that

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into that trust.

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well, if they if they allow themselves,

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Some do, not all of them, but some do,

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it

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I think, you know, part of that is is

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is creating an environment that they

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feel safe and to be able to to share and to be able to embrace that.

...

it

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because we talk, talk about talking about, you know, trusting the process

...

and it's like become a Cliche in pretty much every creative

...

business and trusted the process. And, you know, what if what if somebody doesn't trust it?

...

And what what if they're die? Because, you know, they just

...

oh

...

like, they feel like they want to give it a try, but they really have no idea how

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So

...

I mean, if they feel... So... So there's

...

this

...

So we... And we've

...

we're kind doing a little bit of that but this particular project, we've got a couple of younger

...

team

...

mates that aren't sort of in on these discussions right now, but

...

But we... You know, once we know we've got funding and we start to

...

to actually shape things. You know, we will pull the in on the early meetings in the early

...

ages. And I suspect, you know,

...

with some of our younger team members, there's gonna be a little bit of that will be fear.

...

I mean, ultimately, to to work in this way, it takes bravery, and it

...

also takes that sense of trust. I I see this too with my students because

...

then the way I approach my teaching is usually through project building,

...

and the first week or two of any given course, which

...

which is where my students are at right now for the term.

...

I'm I'm sort of usually sharing some some

...

some big ideas, and then

...

launching them into this whole idea of beginning to build

...

story worlds and and the fact that

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they're gonna be starting that and taking on a pretty big

...

project in that story world building

...

through through the term. And

...

there's those people that get it really excited about that, and then there's those

...

that

...

are terrified by it. I think even the ones that, you know,

...

get excited by it until they've they've kinda done it with you before. They're

...

Who does better?

...

there can be the elements of terror the beginning.

...

So

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You know what? I don't think that there is a a a a doing

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better.

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it's, you know, ultimately

...

somewhere along the lines,

...

is

...

the people of got to trust

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the process, and they've got to be okay with

...

failing as they go. And and then rather than

...

you know, kind of giving up picking them

...

goes up and trying something different. It's why, you know,

...

one of the reasons why I don't understand when people think that

...

sometimes get people being really surprised that I'm creative because I'm

...

originally a scientist. Well,

...

science and creativity, I could think go

...

perfectly had and hands because

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you know, the scientific process is basically about experimenting.

...

And and, you know, that's that's what I do with my story telling it's experimenting.

...

Wow, well, Einstein did say that imagination was more

...

water the knowledge

...

Absolutely. Absolutely, especially when it comes to to to to Science,

...

I I mean, you know, things are not

...

you know, science built around theories. Right?

...

and

...

So

...

So I always sort of look at, like, you know, a good chunk of that is actually

...

my responsibility

...

at the early stages both with my students and

...

with

...

with with my teams when I'm building them is

...

is part of my role is to

...

create a space where everybody feels safe.

...

end

...

like, they can trust when another in order

...

to

...

and or in order to to be creative to play to

...

experiment.

...

and to share.

...

And

...

Yeah. So I mean, I... You know, I have to say when that doesn't have

...

pin.

...

you know,

...

Often I'm... You know, I'm not sort of

...

usually, when I'm looking to see where the problem is I'm using looking back at my

...

self to see, okay, is there something I can be doing differently?

...

is there

...

is there

...

you know,

...

you know, just try and figure out

...

why this particular individual

...

doesn't feel safe sort of

...

instead of

...

sharing sharing with our team and

...

and how how how we can change that.

...

Sounds like like subject we should

...

tackle on

...

one of of the one of the

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shows upcoming and the not to distant future.

...

fold the last

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little

...

quarter

...

I'd like to get back to the beginning.

...

And specifically,

...

to

...

how we

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produce

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original ideas with which to then work

...

and this is this is going back a few years.

...

because in nineteen thirty nine, followed by

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by the name of James Web young.

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an advertising man as it was.

...

then brought book called a technique for producing ideas

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I confessed to having this book on the kindle

...

only goes to show that good ideas have lasting power.

...

in any case, he wrote in it

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something which I keep coming back to

...

again and again, and that love you too.

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to comment on this

...

he wrote the habit of mind

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which leads to a search for relationships between facts.

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becomes of the highest importance

...

in the production of ideas.

...

somehow,

...

And this is end of crowd somehow,

...

high fiber high protein.

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information diet, if you will,

...

full of natural goodness is required just what we get here on the farm.

...

when you get your nourishment,

...

I I like that quote because I mean, I do know that

...

that that is usually

...

I mean,

...

that is usually one of the early stages within any given project

...

for me is fully immersed myself in

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not just in in the sort of the art form, but also

...

seeming myself.

...

in doing research into

...

into the content area. And it's actually one of the things that

...

often gets

...

Kelly Con, our our film that we work with excited is

...

is what I've taken, okay, we have an initial idea we wanna build around this.

...

and then I go and beggar off and spend a whole bunch of time

...

researching that subject. And

...

that it means when I'm doing the write ups for everything and

...

where I'm pulling the project together,

...

we've we've

...

we've got, like, these, whether it's historical insights into something

...

or or data insights into something.

...

that just

...

that just makes my writing that much richer and more interesting.

...

At which

...

So

...

point, do you find out how little your

...

you know about the subject

...

And how how do you push past that? I find that processing immensely enjoyable.

...

well I I I hit hit a stream of information and, you know,

...

information which

...

by rights, should have been obvious and known to me.

...

And I actually had no idea.

...

I I think that's fantastic.

...

Oh, that's that's pretty much normal but yep.

...

So

...

I mean, yeah. That's that that that's that's

...

constantly that story, whenever I start diving to research of something.

...

I

...

one of the things that I was reflecting on it is

...

one of the stories that that we've beaten sort the

...

playing around with the development on has to do with

...

world war two and the Canadian soldiers

...

in and Normandy during, you know,

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during day. And

...

with the whole you beach landing and

...

anyhow it

...

I I... When I was on my last trip over in Europe, I

...

I took a few days to to go

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to go visit you know beach and to spend some time kind of the

...

exploring around Norman b and talking with people

...

about that

...

that

...

that time timeframe there and about the Canadian soldiers and

...

and it really... Like it just

...

there are so many of those realizations that hit me that

...

I couldn't believe. I didn't understand that before.

...

one of them being that

...

when you're in France, and even though there's all this tourism around

...

world war two

...

the people

...

in France,

...

aren't necessarily wanting to continue to

...

sharing those stories or

...

or building

...

or preserving

...

that history

...

because they were essentially occupied during that time frame.

...

And there's all these thoughts and emotions that

...

they're still dealing with and trying to

...

you know, sort of work around, whether it's

...

I I think some of it rooted in in the fact of

...

you know, there might be some

...

I I mean, they shouldn't be embarrassed for having me occupied.

...

but I think that there's some things rooted in that and some things rooted in

...

how they reacted to that and how other people around them reacted to it.

...

there's anger

...

it's it's nice to be a Canadian exploring that history because

...

because we are going in and sweeping up the bombs and and and getting rid of the

...

the different minds and stuff like that in places.

...

our involvement was looked upon in a more positive way, by

...

but by the French. But, you know, when you're when you're in

...

probably mispronouncing the name Ruin.

...

there, there's a tremendous amount of anger towards

...

the British and the

...

the Americans because

...

the British and the Americans

...

seriously bomb that city.

...

Yes. To stop and to get rid of

...

of of of the

...

of the German forces that were there, but they also

...

killed a tremendous number of

...

lives of innocent people ended did at

...

tremendous amount of destruction in that city. And so

...

So there's all these different layers to the stories there that

...

that I hadn't realized

...

just kind of observing from the outside and

...

and and and thinking on sort of, you know, more the

...

mechanical and historic invent side of his

...

tree.

...

And and and so I think that's, especially, you know, when you're a storytellers,

...

that's why taking the time to do that.

...

that research is so important is because you get to the

...

the heart of the story, the parts that haven't necessarily been told or that

...

you know, people find

...

find much more difficult to talk about.

...

So

...

projects I never really finished.

...

and the process of not finishing projects

...

past

...

often leads to new projects opening up and

...

unless you approach the that

...

entire process with

...

Shall we call it curiosity with an up in mind in a keen eye

...

you will somehow end up

...

in shallower waters, than you would. Otherwise,

...

Absolutely. Although

...

you know, you also have to at some point, you know,

...

follow yourself out of the research and actually get to creating because

...

because as as I'm sure you're aware that

...

Deadlines st there.

...

Well, it also... You you could you could

...

continue research to at researching and researching, Like, because

...

because there's always more that

...

that you could learn, and and there's always deeper that you could go.

...

Yeah.

...

on that note,

...

I am, again, very keen grateful

...

To Erica hard for crossing the pond.

...

and helping me out with that that load of lime.

...

we will get around to to

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painting the the band

...

with it eventually, This has been the creative farm

...

thank you very much, indeed. Thank you to

...

all listeners in the audience.

...

and we'll be back

...

again,

...

same time.

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next week,

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come and check us out and we have

...

no idea. What we'll we we'll be talking about, but I dare say it'll be cool.

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Have a great evening. Thank you.

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Thank you, Ray and thank you, everybody.

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