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Yes. Yes. Good evening.

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if anyone

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still had had any kind of doubt that

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we were living in a global village.

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two years ago.

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Rather convinced that those doubts will have been... Shall we say

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steadily eroded over the last

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Oh, I don't know. Eighteen months or so.

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And unless you're a particular kind of cave dwelling in,

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without all disrespectful

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other

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k wedding.

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Folks everywhere. It is clear that what

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happens to a person halfway around the world has

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awesome will have

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direct bearing.

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on what happens.

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to you.

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of course, Have known this for a very long time, so

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If not anything else, one would be well advised.

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to take in some of that global outlook.

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And what are you know here on the creative farm I happened to be in the company

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of the full complement of a very

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International cast of studio regulars helping me

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put up the sheet fence. Erica Hard,

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multimedia producer and writer from Vancouver.

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Adrian Coca,

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compile musician and

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porsche of experimental music to

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two independent labels coming in from London.

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and an American and more so

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Theater, and film director Paul, welcome everyone to the creative

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it is a pleasure to have you pass the ratchet

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and

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they hatch around

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Hello.

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Hi, Ralph.

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Glad to be here.

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Yes. So it's wonderful to be here.

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It's it's it's one of the the great cliches

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to to wax lyric about

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inspiration from parts foreign.

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somehow, they

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the search for meaning far away from, you know, from home,

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is virtually standard behavior artists and and musicians

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So let's let's take a look. And let's figure it out.

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Really. How does that actually work? A strange question? I know a sort of a

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professionally boring and ridiculous question, but

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not afraid to ask those.

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why is working with people

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in

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and from

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foreign.

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So lowering for creative who wants to start off.

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Well, I'm I'm the one not muted. So

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maybe by the default, I'll start

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I mean, you know, I think there's

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in the age that we're now

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And pre... I mean, you know, it's been quite a recent area where

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travel and the means of

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of

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media have a allowed mass of

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ideas and people, and I guess,

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you know so if you go back to

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like, early nineteen hundreds when night... There was

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a lot of world fair, for example, is one in paris think, which is how

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boost you got to hear about

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you know, Japanese and these music and gamma musical music from

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I usually informed his music.

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these are quite rare events that are quite size or.

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you know, later. So you had, you know, John K, You know, there's a bunch of zen buddha ends up in America

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And some of those people literally with a sparks that

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sort of created a whole artist

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and for a philosophical culture that perm through the fifties in the sixties and and into know,

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if you're like nitrogen endless

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connections

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there's too many connections and

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I find that actually, sometimes

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I am spending more time or happy in the last few months. Can you communicate with people in places?

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that I've never been to and with cultures that I don't really understand because

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you know, i've not actually been there

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I Am actually interacting with things at Door.

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And, you know, it's stimulating is amazing.

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but there's something about it. I find quite

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just in this post lockdown darren or the the the period that we've just been through

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when we're so

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used to having to use the technology in a certain way to communicate and

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to wherever people still off some extent.

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I I I wanna kind of almost shift my senses I wanna shift back

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onto the dirt of the street around me at the same time as having the ability to connect.

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with people thousands of miles away, but then I'm long to be in those places and that's

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find out how this place tick rather than just

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you know, receive streams compressed audio and visual streams,

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which is probably I fields that i mean particularly

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unusual after last few months. Last

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year or too rather what we've been all communicating in one specific way.

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Yeah. It's it's opened opened a whole lot of

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windows and doors, but they

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I'm not the sort of windows doors that we are

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accustomed to. They do have

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thick glass.

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in them rather thicker than usual, Than.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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Erica, you

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Well, I just wanted to to echo

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you wanna pipe in with something.

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Yeah. I was just echoing what when eight

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what adrian saying there with the fact of, I mean, part of the

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excitement for me with working with people that are coming from different part

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the world is being able to share in their cultures and be able

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bring their cultures into whatever it is that we're creating.

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So the last project that I was

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pitching last week Mean, not was part of the excitement of it is

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you know, it's got

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It's got a mixture of people on it that are from

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Canada and from Belgium and from the Us,

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and then we've got these other roles we could add in there, and

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so, you know, I'm already starting to, like, you know,

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know, my mind started wandering to a friend of Buying, Japan, and

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and

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This is this is why I find su

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fighting about the space that we're in. And the Morris started thinking about it. I mean, originally,

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you know, for the story, I I'm... I'm instead of launching and telling I was

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you know, we've we've got an idea in mind for a crowd sourcing campaign.

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so that we can pull in some of the faces and voices

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of people for this project that specifically is chronic pay.

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around product pain. So we wanna... So we wanna hear some of those

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different voices and see with her faces out there of people that are

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managing that. But

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it

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and and so, you know, so my

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my film like hair, Kelly That we're working with she already knows that we're gonna be bringing in these

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different.

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faces and voices. And then as we start to build the project out where so

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players are Belgium and in the Us.

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it it's just got me

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you know, sort of thinking where it's like, well, why laminate it

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to just those places. You know? I not in

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we can... If we can get good enough film quality,

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without having full production crews, you know,

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spread out all over the world why not bring

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bring bring in more voices and faces that really, you know, start

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to create more of a global

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you know, a global

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global discussion are around around chronic pain.

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and and it's... But I... But I do

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hey. It's also got me wanting to go back and visit these places.

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and I have so eager to get out into the

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world again. And and part of the beauty for me right now is because we've also got these

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nature series. I'm getting requests

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for pictures right now from Egypt from

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malta from

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Mark meek, and it's just

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you know, I I need more time so I can pitch everything, but so I like to do everything

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you know, properly. But

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It's

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it it's just... It's got me just sort of chopping it a bit.

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for, you know, for for when that is possible. And when when we

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when I can sort of straight out in the world and

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and and get back to doing some of my stories

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telling within those cultures where you can truly experience

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just like, you know, when you and I were talking last week and

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you know, you can research and research and research these different

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places online, but until you actually are there and you're actually experiencing.

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you know, there's so many different nuances to a different culture.

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that's

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you have to... You have to eat enough rice

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they say over there, eat enough rice with these people to actually

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start to understand

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Yeah.

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the way the way they take

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pull

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you made the jump

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from New York City to an Eastern European City.

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and I'm I'm sure having a Parish mister had

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something to do with that. But other than the the precise choice

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of country and city.

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we are drawn to the area anyway, was there us of a lower

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Yes. There was

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but I think it was more

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Well,

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I guess what what I want to say is it it it's hard to unpack

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my attraction from also the relationships that I built.

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Mhmm.

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But, I mean, it's it's deeper than merely enjoying the movies

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chris and at. Right?

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This

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Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, I I

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I I fell into polish

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drama when I was in graduate school.

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because that's what we

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actually, what I

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I propose that's what we would study after nine eleven.

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So I was thinking about nine eleven Lobby.

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Of course, you would... I mean, this is the natural thing to study. Right?

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Yes. So

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polish Drama. Naturally. Why?

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Well, because so what

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Let me tell the story. So

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basically, what happened is nine eleven happened right at the beginning of the second year of my graduate

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studies.

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And so we we we just started and suddenly

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the school was closed for died know ten days.

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we came back and now what?

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What do you do now? What are we... We're I'm in the middle of a conservatory program? What are we gonna study?

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And my professor said we'll,

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do you guys wanna study?

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And my answer was I wanna

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study pull drama.

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and I I was intrigued with with

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with polish

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the porsche of guard due that I had been exposed to a bit of

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so this is Peter of And Peter of

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did today's contour.

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but I didn't know anything else. And I was... I just saw I was intrigued, and also, I felt like

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know we were in the in the apocalyptic situation in New York.

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at the time, and I thought, well, if any country knows about apocalyptic

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situations. That would be poland.

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And that was the right instinct.

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And so what happened is that I was then introduced the

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to a whole slew of writers, which I had never read before.

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So people like Pet

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number beach

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swallowing. And I just

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fell in love with these guys.

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if if I may... If I may just may just seed

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to to our listeners. The Paul just mentioned

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three of the great lumi

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of of polish

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literature. The one has to say these three taps

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that just works

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that were not

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Wow.

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not to everyone space. We say,

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yeah. But

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But but to the point, they were very much to my days.

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Yeah. I

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Just fell in love with these guys that is amazing for me

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very dark absurd

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perspective on the world.

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And so

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my my relationship with the culture

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develop because I was doing productions with the police cultural institute in New York.

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of polish text in English.

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and I just gradually built a deeper and deeper connect.

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and bond and that that led to travels to Poland on several locations.

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And then when life became compatible in New York and

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I knew I had to

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I wanted to to Europe

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it just

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it just seemed like Warsaw was the natural destination. I had a lot of friends there and a lot of

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it is

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relationships that I already developed, and I had a deep

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appreciation for

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the dramatic culture, drama culture of Poland,

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and it goes far far beyond their writing. It goes into the

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just some amazing culture here of acting and directing and

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many, many big established theaters

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So for me,

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that was kind of my

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it was a mixture of of of interest and desire, but

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so of of relationships

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And a sort of us sort of a deep down realization

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I guess, to a degree, if I may go

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full biblical on you ask that no no no profit.

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is indeed accepted

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and his own

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in his own city, and that's I I I believe let's look for

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How how did that how did that actually

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inform your work.

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landing and what was essentially a

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okay. What you were familiar with the cultural works, but it was still essentially

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a foreign culture.

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Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. When I look back, I didn't didn't know anything.

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In fact,

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I was really really

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in many ways.

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but the

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when I I left, I left New York also

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because it was... I was going to a crisis. I would say

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like spiritual crisis about

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my values and and what it is that I wanted to

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to do how I wanted to continue in my practice.

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So it was a very, very because

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chaotic and fragile moment when I left.

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and

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but the

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thing that I was really seeking and which I think

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For me as what has always drawn me to international work.

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is is distance.

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and that you you can't you can't see

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your own culture without distance,

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you can't you can't see your own life narrative without distance. You can't

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see

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anything in fact with any deep meaning without distance,

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and

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on the inverse.

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it also gives me a a unique position here in Poland I've been here

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ten years now

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but I still an outsider

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And so I'm I'm I'm I'm an insider or outsiders here so I know the

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culture and

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the this what's happening here in a deep way, but, also, I'm still outside it.

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and that gives me a really interesting perspective

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that when the work I make here, it's really interesting for polish audience because they

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they see their own

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their own

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culture and own story reflected back to them from an outsiders

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points of view.

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and vi

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You can't be your own mirror.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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or at least, it's damn difficult. I mean, it takes a particular

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kind of

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kind of talent and those people who have become

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mirrors to their own culture quite often end up integrating.

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This is this is not unusual. We have a

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long list or those people could could we could come up with.

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Adrian, your

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like, really all of us

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you're living in the middle of

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of

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a great world city, and I count melt Melbourne as a great world city.

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The greatest cuisine

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on earth. I'll have you now, but you don't have to agree

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But if one, if one is

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is lucky to have lived

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in one of these these great world cities then then, of course, quote unquote foreign,

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cultures are available

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on top.

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as as migrants have been g to those places from

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generations.

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Is that something of a safe option though?

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is it somehow lazy to to just

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view yourself with this

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the streams of cultures, you can have sample

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can have, you know, sample

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temple music in the morning and cup on the beach.

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okay. Such as it is in the afternoon,

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and behold in time

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for dinner. Is it all too easy?

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Well, We're not done.

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I don't subscribe to, I guess, the phrase that that

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is dealing with his cultural tourism where the idea

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that you you dabble in things that you don't have any deep

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connection with mean of course was talking about living for ten years in the place.

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and building up, you know, connection. I think, you know,

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that

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gives you some grab test to

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the work where like, so if you're just kind of dipping in the out because of the the nature of the

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where media can be eliminated now then you know, yeah. I I don't.

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like that.

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I... I mean, you have to me, you mentioned London

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and one mention interesting things about where I live is that

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the

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migrant flows of

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London since sixteen hundreds.

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mean, it's something I was always aware of, but I live in East end or the

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pretty much the Central Eastern.

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of London, and this is right on the edge of the

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city of London, which looks she would have been a world city that

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did not allow migrants in. So these communities, one of which I live in.

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would have been a a a community that was

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not deemed. These people weren't deemed worthy of the guild and the

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the great and the good of the city Lemon corporation, so they were not allowed

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city walls. So these makeshift communities

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started i mean special field, which is like a

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very old

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seventeen hundred

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migrant sense of lot of Jewish migrants in Europe

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set up there. And now there's a lot of people from

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behind the dash.

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and different parts of

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as as well.

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But the just kind of trying to understand the migrants

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flows of what's even in in the old that you live and why.

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why people are where they are. I mean, one of the problems. I mean, not and is amazing, for.

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having in that

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vast wells of different people, but

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you know, obviously, the culture live is one of

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consumption. It's not what is

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coaches being

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mixed the particular you that were in now. It feels that, you know, things are quite separate.

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I mean, I said, you know, this definite

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the thing I'm seeing in the area I live in his community

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where different touch people sites and me

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again on the street, which is kind of the

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to what the things we talking about ideas

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vast distance been

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creatively

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stimulation suddenly.

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other thing. There's micro to the macro, which is, you know, lot of cultures, like

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i've said that are very diverse in london, but at the same time, for historical reasons and

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cultural reasons.

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Are separate as well. That

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you have there is a little bit more interplay and

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it's just very

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a very

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gradual. And it's a very slight thing that I've noticed that I meant to be too

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romantic about it. But

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you know I hope that

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just understanding into people and why the people that are around you are here rather than just

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in them as local color. You know?

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is part of... I think one of the things of living in London now i'm kind of notes

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And it's

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you know, for me, that is like a... Really... It's something that's open blood and not at that

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you know, I what i've done so much walking so much than of

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you know, historical kind of piece and stuff together.

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why things are where that... White where they are in london

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and why different communities are where they are.

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And you have for me, it's kind of

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Why my love of London a bit more is

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it's a bit like, you know, another layer has been should've back and

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Yeah. So I'm interested in

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Yeah. Not doing the qualified thing which I started talking about beginning of this.

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I

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five five

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Yeah. Which is with... Which is

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which is a sort of a lazy man's way of of picking

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making boxes and we're certainly not talking about

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Well I

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that direction. And we're certainly, you know,

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where, you you know, we will talk about cultural

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appropriation.

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on another show because that deserves its own

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treatment, eventually, Erica. Sorry. I interrupted you.

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Well, yeah. No. No. I trip

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to do. But I was just gonna say, I mean, I don't think

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I think I think there is a difference from what we were talking

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about at the beginning and

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cultural tourism. I I think when you're talking about

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you know, storytelling within different cultures where

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you're you're there and you're immersed yourself in the culture and you're learning from the culture.

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You actually want to learn. Right?

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Exactly. It's it's not something where it's like

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checking boxes or doing a bucket list or something like that.

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it's actually because you want to learn you want to

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evolve to grow your world views.

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Actually, hate how and test that that that that term

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So do I?

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But, you know i like a back bucket is like something you want to poke in, you know?

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I I

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I I wanted to jump in on on some of what your you're asked

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Adrian there just because I think

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coming from North America.

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and specifically from Canada, I have a been of a different view on that when it comes

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to I

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you know,

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sort of

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a variety of different cultures

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living in a place that's outside of

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where, you know,

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their

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their lands that they're they're sort of

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they're ethnically, you know, sort of of have come from.

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And and just because, like, you know,

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here in Canada, we're all immigrants from somewhere. You know, it

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you know, except

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perhaps. I mean, our our first nations,

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Hello, you know, certainly, there is evidence that

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that they might have migrated across the the bearing to our country, but

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Hell a long way to walk there.

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either which way, they were the first people here. So they're were the first people to establish

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They're the first people to establish to establish, you know,

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the culture of this country. But

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you know, everybody else that's come here has come here from somewhere else.

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at some point in their ancestry. And

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So... And and and we have a a slightly different viewpoint culture

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really

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you know, in Canada to the Us, where they're a bit more of a cultural melting pot.

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we're a place where, I mean, certainly

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you know, our our cultures mesh and they merge

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and they they change and we get fusion.

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and things like that. But

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We also

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give space for people to

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you know, to

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to participate in their their traditional cultures here.

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And I... You know, as I you know, sit here in my living room,

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the neighborhood that I'm living in

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I am the minority.

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were

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you know,

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with rick with Richmond at lake firm and Richmond, British Columbia,

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And so we're right at the end of the rail line. And

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our our railroad was predominantly built by by Chinese

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people. So the culture

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the community that I live in here is a good chunk of it is

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is predominantly Chinese, and it's interesting because

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we've got

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like, different layers to the culture of

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of that population here here in B because in this this

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and very specifically where I'm living in Richmond B,

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because you've got, you know, people who have been here for generations and generations

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And so

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you know, there's parts of their traditional culture from

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China that their family still

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you know, celebrates, but then there's parts that

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you know, have very much changed from

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from

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living here in Canada versus, like,

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we've also, because we... When Hong Kong changed back to

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China rule there was

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you know connections. I mean, we are a commonwealth country plus or is

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you know, people had connections to to

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people, like, between Hong Kong and Canada,

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so a lot of the money and as a result

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the people from Hong Kong,

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left Hong Kong and came to the community that I live it.

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And so you've got

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you know, so that

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sort of newer mix of of the the Asian

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and specifically the Chinese

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population here a bit more of the Hong Kong Chinese.

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How how does the artist fit into

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Well, so this actually

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the cultural mountain landscape

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Yeah. This is this is actually one of the things I'm fighting really interesting about this

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culture and I was gonna say, like, and then there's the third part too where you've got

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a lot of students that their parents from different part

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of of Asia are sending their kids here to go to school. So

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you know, buddy of mine and I, the other night, were sitting

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in this hot restaurant that was typically

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mostly, you know, these these these younger your kids

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from various parts of Asia that were

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we're there and so the conversations you heard in the room well, I don't

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there was very little English that was actually being spoken

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and certainly, English was the second language that you encountered anywhere.

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after what I'm guessing was like Mandarin,

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And it

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and it's wonderful.

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How how do you as as a creative

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How have do you as a creative

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to coin phrase feed of that of that energy.

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Well, if it's great. It's so I'm my

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city richmond here. It it celebrates

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fat. And so we have a lot of

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sort of artwork, and there is a lot of columns for for

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through the city for working with different artists to celebrate the different cultures that are part of the

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place that that I live in. So there is a lot that comes

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you know, that celebrates that that heritage with with China here.

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there's also, because we would have traditionally were basically on the

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sad bar in the middle of the the fraser river. So it would have been in the

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hunting and gathering

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a zone of the Mask people. So they're

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there are... There's art public art all Rich then

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celebrate some masculine people as well.

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But then we have, like,

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steve send the fishing village at the end of the road for me as a Japanese

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fishing village. So we have that culture that... And it's our

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celebrated it all through our community, including to business day,

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Japanese cultural centers that people can go go to

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And then we've got

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quite a large quadratic population here as well.

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that it came because we're on a River Delta, so they're farming the land here.

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and

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I

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That mean, that's one of the things I love about the culture is that that they celebrate that that you can

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experience and me can... I mean, you're not gonna experience them in the same way as if you go to to

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to China, but you can still learn about the difference

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layers and and glimpse the different layers that that that

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you know that can be added into to your storytelling.

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I know my

...

And and with your,

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with with the with up

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as they say, you know, a pure heart and and a sort of a degree of honesty

...

you can actually take the good out of this without it

...

serving as a sort of a

...

are dreadful sla of the real thing. Right?

...

No. No. Exactly. I mean, you've got a if

...

I mean, the way you've got to explore that is... It's a it's gonna, you know,

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end up in your writing, which... I mean, granted, if you're

...

if you're Canadian writer and

...

you've hopefully been experiencing other cultures throughout your whole life.

...

because

...

because because... Because that's what our country made up of

...

and and so it's very normal to celebrate, you know,

...

friends, friends, traditions that are outside of your own, like, whether it's

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you know, the Bat the bar the hana

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or, like, you know, the Chinese new years or

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So you're making me... You're making me help.

...

homes from Lebanon.

...

Baby baby, what is it?

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like, give the Chinese custom

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a year after the baby's board, and you go to the big baby banquet,

...

And so so there's all these different things that you celebrate and and in layers that you

...

you learn, like, you know,

...

layers on on different cultural clashes.

...

too between between the different people that are seen at significantly quickly

...

same way. But because they've, you know, come to the country that

...

point in time, their cultures are different.

...

And and so some of that is is

...

Oh, yes. Yes. Very, very, very interesting.

...

you know? So there's there's even some critical within that. But I think

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tell those stories and, like, right now, I'm... That's one of my other adventures I'm embark

...

on with

...

one of my

...

Japanese Canadian friends, is

...

is she and I are looking at telling some stories

...

from World war two from her family's history when

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they lost

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their farm.

...

because they were Japanese because they were ethnically Japanese

...

people

...

living on the coast, even though they fully canadian, but

...

living on the coast here, British Columbia, and, you know, having to

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to move in land off the... Off the coast and some of her family members.

...

who ended up in intern camp. And and and so, like, the way

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like, you know, in you're sort of

...

know starting to do a dive into

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exploring how to tell those cultures

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you know, you've gotta involve people from those cultures. So

...

Yeah. And you end up end up with a handful of

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all these different threads. Tell me tell me find people.

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is that simply a case?

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that artists

...

possess what was said of the great photographer walker Evans

...

that he had a a hungry eye. I have that book

...

hungry eye, of course,

...

and I'll just have to look up whether he said it of himself or whether it was said of him.

...

But

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artists are naturally drawn.

...

to the the energy

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of people who are different from from them

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preferably at scale. I mean, it's would be difficult to

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imagine artists is g to to find them

...

A cafe in in know found the Of paris

...

Paris if it had

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you know, six people in it and it was the only Cafe in town.

...

Is it is it

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is finding inspiration inspiration basically a number game.

...

I wonder

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do you need to expose your own psyche to enough?

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different humans so that you can pick out the bits

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that you find interesting or a lowering, and you kind of need to have lots

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of those humans. What do you think?

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Well,

...

near where I live is the grave of William Blake can, you know, join lot down.

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would require to sort go right.

...

this graveyard, which, again, there's quite interested talking about

...

artists were positioned in the culture in London that's

...

quite often the on the edge of the city.

...

And this graveyard is at the edge of the sixty where some of the

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the more kind of recognizable people were allowed to be borrowed not actually in the center of the city.

...

you know, even

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that illustrates that artists has

...

in terms of the great and the good, as you will know, that kind of

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you know, not a very central social role. Sometimes you say,

...

you you are the the the master of of of you for my son.

...

Yes. Maybe I

...

Anyway, so

...

but you have, blake is one of these people that

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didn't seem to go anywhere. You know, he spent his whole life.

...

in this

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in London, maybe give

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wanted to visit outside of it and you look at the

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and his work and imagination in it.

...

and it doesn't seem to have been

...

you know, I'm judy affected.

...

and then

...

But, you know, I think it's a twenty century phenomenon

...

the the beginning of mass travel, the beginning of like Toby community

...

patience, obviously

...

change how people perceive things change.

...

And Guess, that does come you more

...

just when you get a sense of something,

...

not just over the hill, but something

...

miles away.

...

Yeah. It can sort drive you on. I mean, I think

...

in my word, I

...

have so doubled in

...

musical forms and other coaches, but I'm always just

...

really aware of the amount of time that is needed to

...

understand them in any profound way. So I've always

...

call back from really incorporate and in my own work.

...

they're just private things that I I do for my own

...

so of

...

partial education.

...

And as no I mean, one of the things that I have noticed is that the

...

I mean, this is, again, a bit of a cliche that we're all aware of.

...

the actual technology, and even though these distances

...

geographically remain the same.

...

the difference between as culturally is getting so much less. So

...

you know, overlap, I've been dealing with people in America we've in Japan,

...

and there are differences in terms of

...

you know, there's little scenes of people that I'm interacts within in both of those places.

...

But at the same time, there's is

...

this just like, this there is more in common with

...

some of the approaches then maybe there would have been fifty years ago or even twenty years ago.

...

so, you know, things are actually kind of becoming

...

closer ideas move fast. You know, I haven't often have, and I

...

dear

...

or,

...

there's already, like, hundreds of people. It seems on Internet forty have

...

say my debt.

...

spacecraft

...

I'm loving. I'm loving not

...

having any new ideas. I I I realized

...

Well, maybe no not new ideas. That's

...

maybe I just think it's a new idea, but

...

Yes.

...

But, you know, the Idea that

...

the networks that we now operate on under

...

or in

...

have a total different

...

logic and speed at which information is is

...

moved and processed. So it does

...

change actually almost the

...

Again, I think we've talked about this is the physical space, but the Internet breaks

...

dying and

...

you know, it's one thing traveling thousands of models to

...

to kinda discover something and then spending weeks, they're kind of absolutely absorbing in it It's another

...

being able to, you know, just

...

go over to a particular website or artist and, you know,

...

absorb the work for a screening all our speakers or however,

...

Yeah. I guess it's it's

...

it's an ongoing discussion, which

...

has

...

you know, five up lots of lots of

...

angry missiles from various quarters. Should we be

...

remaining purest. Or, should we actually realize that it's

...

is actually better to

...

of the art through the

...

they you know, intermediary of of technology

...

I wanted the

...

if

...

artists are just not naturally more

...

aware then

...

other people of

...

of the ultimate global nature of our existence. And

...

certainly now with everything that you've just you just been talking about,

...

Adrian, but

...

the the global nature of our existence and the need

...

to relate to other humans as neighbors.

...

because really, twenty thousand kilometers, which

...

which is the furthest you can you can be

...

away from

...

you. Any other person any further actually, you're getting closer.

...

twenty thousand kilo kilometers is not exactly very far in a universal

...

calls makes sense and artists seem to be

...

more aware

...

for instance,

...

of of the ridiculous of nation states

...

And, of course, that makes them natural

...

feared enemies of nation states. So i'll a Sudden,

...

in this discussion about

...

the perception of the other way we are yet again,

...

bumping our heads against the ceilings of of of politics.

...

This all this stuff is now coming at us.

...

all day day from all directions. What do you think? Artists?

...

just more naturally

...

pretty exposed towards those sorts of kind

...

kinds

...

of of of awareness.

...

Some

...

I mean, I noticed today, just on my timeline at the moment in Berlin,

...

the the communities in Berlin have voted against these large landlords

...

you know, they're pushed back against the way that property is

...

being modify didn't have it

...

impacts on communities. So that, you know,

...

And and these are my are friends that are posting about this. You live in Berlin,

...

and

...

artists, obviously a like I said, socially positioned in a unique

...

place.

...

And I think we've going back to a position

...

because of this life, near liberal

...

model

...

where the system's kind of eat in all the things and

...

strengths of the value out of them. And so we're left kind of like

...

trying to piece together what's left and trying and create.

...

the beginnings of something new or some different approaches maybe. But

...

Yeah. I mean, I think this period day hasn't felt particularly the eyes

...

as

...

I mean, no I think, you know, that did lots of reasons mean, I guess, you know, ben musicians

...

they are by nature music is something that have to be performed until the last

...

few

...

couple of years in in places. So musicians jobs have been

...

to get on a train a plane about

...

and to go somewhere else and to perform some music in a different

...

place that is one of the fundamental

...

jobs and parts of the musicians.

...

you know, job descriptions. So by the nature of how and the work,

...

this generally heard travel is is a essentially

...

and, of course, in the in the process of about kind of travel and

...

you meet people you

...

come across other cultures. You strike up

...

you know, collaborations and these things will feed through into

...

into new work and you perspectives on stuff.

...

And, of course, you know?

...

Mean, you could argue though... So like, the people working in

...

in global corporations

...

do... I mean, it's it's a big pretty by analogy, but

...

it's not like their static anymore, You know, they're moving around playing a different game, and connecting different dots.

...

of the global world.

...

But, yeah. You oh

...

We're we're all just trying to make

...

make some kind of kind of sense of of this. And we're all

...

trying to make some kind of sense this on the creator farm, which is

...

the show you're are listening to, and my name Ralph

...

Tom I'm here with my

...

three far flunk.

...

brothers and sisters in arms, Erica Hard coming in from

...

from Vancouver.

...

Adrian Ko coming in from London,

...

and on the blower from Warsaw Paul,

...

Paul, what do you think about this?

...

question of awareness

...

and artist place in terms of

...

translating

...

what they see into

...

what they think the people around them might actually

...

get some value from

...

artists international filters

...

and and and

...

and translators

...

I think that I think that that that is

...

true for many artists. I I wouldn't say that it's

...

for all artists, but for sure,

...

I think it's even safe to say the majority environment

...

And I think in the theater,

...

which is my field.

...

I think the

...

as A was saying that that this is

...

a practice which involves travel

...

and that's always been a part of it.

...

that's you have fixed theaters, but you also that would go traveling.

...

and go on tour.

...

you go to different places and you and you meet different kinds of people,

...

And but I think since this i'm thinking about

...

London and listening to Adrian and I, of course, I always go back to thinking about Shakespeare.

...

And what an international he was.

...

he's, of course, the

...

so more most famous

...

British.

...

play right. And, yet if you look at his text,

...

look at how many of them take place in foreign countries.

...

and how many of them were inspired by stories from other countries.

...

So your London was this

...

cosmopolitan opal port City,

...

and stories and books

...

were arriving from foreign places and Shakespeare was ferocious

...

devour these different sources.

...

you we have merchant of Venice. We have

...

twelfth night, which takes place in.

...

the ten is a takes place in the foreign country.

...

hamlet

...

Which which which

...

Peter Green away did an excellent job of

...

of filming some what thirty years ago?

...

with the great John Gil good, as prosperity, I remember correct

...

Yes.

...

Yes.

...

So we wheels within wheels. Yeah.

...

we have we have an audience we have an audience

...

there are some smiling faces at least smiling avatar and not quite if they're smiling.

...

in in reality, but there are humans listening to us, and it is great.

...

to have humans listening to us. It's always a joy.

...

to also have people

...

and raise the

...

append and communicate that they might like,

...

to add to the discussion, say if you would like to do that, please.

...

press the right button in the application, and

...

we'll be sure to, you know, attach the microphone tour

...

a straight shape and and, you know, send it downhill and make sure that you get it.

...

coming back to to walker reverence for a second, who he is one of my very favorite

...

masters

...

he didn't

...

ready further off much outside of the Us.

...

But in on in, you know, all honesty, if you think about

...

it there have been few places

...

more

...

varied and subject to more

...

tumultuous change.

...

and often, you know, foreign influence

...

cultural influence than the Us in the thirties and forties and fifties.

...

So you don't actually have to travel halfway around the world to do meaningful work. Right?

...

I mean, yeah. I'm speaking as an American and I

...

Halfway around the world. Yes.

...

halfway around the world.

...

Of course, I've I lived through a long time in New York City and

...

I also grew up on the west Coast, so I grew up some in San Francisco Bay area.

...

which are extremely diverse places.

...

I mean, I grew up

...

in California with

...

Chinese friends and to Japanese friends and Mexican friends and

...

so one need not travel, but

...

America a kind of different story as Erica was talking about Canada.

...

there is a

...

a huge

...

kind of idea of of this melting pot

...

that you should you should all give up all of that ethnic difference.

...

to

...

some or most degree and become American, whatever that means.

...

and

...

So there is this

...

big dissonance in America. There's a great pressure to conform in fact,

...

to some kind of norm

...

And there's a lot of very interesting

...

phenomenon that come out of that because, of course, everybody's an immigrant.

...

So for example, like, my my father

...

he was born in in California, but his parents were immigrants from Italy.

...

And

...

So he grew up in the house, which spoke

...

italian dialect actually.

...

So not even at regular straight Italian

...

italian dialect

...

And

...

he

...

when I came along,

...

he didn't teach me Italian.

...

it was was not spoken in the house.

...

So, you know, he didn't marry an Italian woman married an irish woman.

...

and we just they wanted to be Americans. They didn't want the the shame of

...

the the immigrant baggage

...

And so

...

Although, as I got older, and I got more and more interested in my own heritage and then my dad

...

course we're sharing these things with me, and then he'd taken me just some relative

...

suddenly, I'd hear them speaking Pete on, which is the dialect

...

where my people are italian

...

people are from.

...

and it was I had no idea what they're saying.

...

and so you have this weird. There's this weird

...

thing in America where it's present and it's also hidden.

...

and

...

you you have to dig actually to to get to anything authentic.

...

and and even

...

even then, it's

...

sometimes kind of an impossible mission. Make, for example,

...

here's a trivia question. What is the largest

...

group.

...

of European and

...

people

...

living in the United States.

...

at

...

ethnic ethnically.

...

Wonder guys. You you know the answer of that?

...

at speaking.

...

no one knows.

...

Would they be German or

...

Yeah. That's right. Germans.

...

And so

...

where's the German heritage? Where the German town

...

Where is it?

...

is completely erased.

...

And, of course, there's a historical reason for that causing a World war one and world war

...

too.

...

but before World war one, there were a huge German enclave

...

in in the United States and German was still spoken

...

So

...

and you had German restaurants and you had German light next to Chinatown,

...

Italian down, we had

...

it was like that. It's all gone.

...

And and yet, this is the largest Ethnic group in the United States from Europe.

...

by far.

...

it's really not even close.

...

who's in second place.

...

And so this is another very strange thing about how

...

in America is

...

on the one hand,

...

a place of incredible diversity, but on the other,

...

on the other, it's also

...

a strange

...

place where everybody's trying to conform to a kind of norm

...

which

...

And is the norm a quarter acre a plot of that and a one and and

...

one hundred and fifty parked out the front.

...

Yeah. Oh what is it?

...

Yeah.

...

it's quite nebula what that is.

...

and and that's

...

Yeah.

...

Yeah. Define norm. Right? That's always the question.

...

Yeah.

...

And and isn't that? Isn't that the attractive part about

...

the artists

...

getting drawn to to parts four even if the pouch for an

...

just around the corner like Erica was saying and in Richmond change,

...

down the hill and and she can have the best

...

best authentic Chinese food for lunch, and the best authentic Japanese food for

...

than without, you know,

...

It well... Yeah. I I'm laughing because the rich of the a

...

Mhmm.

...

delta. So so we don't have any hills here.

...

But but... I mean, yeah. I mean, it

...

it was it was actually a

...

figuratively speaking, you know,

...

the right hills in Vancouver.

...

I well, thank vancouver there art, but they're not on a delta.

...

But yeah, no. It was actually part of

...

part of that whole thing.

...

you know, where we went the other night for dinner was because I had a a a friend in from

...

California.

...

sort of a a pandemic first having a friend's day from across the border,

...

How how exactly did you do that?

...

Well, we we both knew... He's he's

...

No.

...

Don't tell us. Don't tell us it may be illegal.

...

he's he's double back. It's it was the illegal or anything like

...

that. And we now have vaccine passports in B, which I'm quite loving because

...

really makes diving out so much more enjoyable because you've got less stress

...

knowing that everybody in the restaurant stumble back so they're

...

still following all the Covid rules and everything else. But

...

he he he wanted some local cuisine

...

so I said, well, local cuisine for here is is Asian.

...

And so so he said, well, come we have

...

Yeah.

...

Chinese and I said I said, well, what type of time because

...

because that's the reality. And so he's like

...

And so then he started lifting up, you know, some North American eyes

...

versions of Chinese, like, you know, from

...

Sweetened sour pork balls to, you know,

...

Yeah. I said I said I said,

...

and and you're saying no, No. No. No They like you we're talking

...

set you on. I'll hook in or oh, you know,

...

Yes.

...

Exactly. Exact

...

And at which point, you know, since

...

see clearly, you know, didn't have a clue what idea about was

...

I I was feeling like a hot pot. So I

...

suggests this hop like a hot pot, and then I looked that

...

to see, you know, who had who had some of the... The... And that was the amazing thing I just

...

taken and hot pod into Google Maps and my community and

...

like, we've got

...

what tourism actually advertise for my community

...

is the dump trail, which is like, all these... It's it's

...

it's very much, you know, sort of all these

...

different mainly Chinese

...

Asian eating experiences where, you know, sort of

...

just across the river from me and and three,

...

they they advertise the spice trail, which is more around ascending

...

cuisine.

...

But... Yeah, it was awesome and and it you know, it kind of reminded me

...

you know? Because because it it

...

it it it wasn't one of my

...

like, my local places are are more Japanese just because the part of it

...

that I'm living in. But it reminds me that

...

you know, I need to take

...

little... You know, I need to to do further

...

christians to different places that I haven't been before because

...

it was it was just a really cool

...

experiences experience. And while I pride myself from my

...

you know, so of for my best friend who's, like, my brother here,

...

you know, he's he's his is... Well, he

...

...he's he's Canadian. He's, i think he's second generation.

...

But

...

But, you know, his... And our friend the Adrian parent,

...

you know, growing up, we're both first generation, and you've

...

teach me about some, you know, I learned learn things about the the Chinese

...

culture from them and sort of secondary things from from

...

manager and Adrian, Although there's was very much some more

...

canadian you that bringing

...

But

...

it

...

it... Where was I going with that?

...

forward. For the most important thing there is

...

Yeah. Food. Food. I know. I know.

...

So so I I really pride myself and and and, you know, I don't got my

...

has husband is well, he's he's, you know, a couple generations

...

in two, but he's definitely Chinese as well.

...

So

...

you know? I I think

...

I I thought I was very well versed in

...

what the different things were, but the restaurant that we happened

...

pet because it had such a great rating was totally different from what I was used

...

too and any kind of gathering, you know, as I as I noticed and listen

...

to the conversation of the crowd that was around us. I I'm guessing this is a restaurant that's

...

cropped up more with a lot of the young people, but

...

are here studying from from different parts of

...

of Asia. And it was... But it was fascinating. It was so interesting

...

to me that, you know, after all these years and

...

really having, you know, being a part of a few different

...

sort of ethnically Chinese families,

...

that

...

the experience that we were having was something

...

there's always there's always more to discover.

...

totally new for me and was totally different

...

from my other hot pod experiences

...

Yeah

...

mhmm Just because it's all thrown into a hot, It doesn't really matter.

...

doesn't really mean that that that, you know, that that it's it's all the same.

...

To wrap up to, I'd like to

...

take a set of a side swipe at

...

at politics. Again, as we do, occasionally on the shelf,

...

in the context of artists

...

and their role in the global society.

...

because I just remembered in just

...

preparing earlier tonight

...

that I read

...

a little while ago, a speech by

...

the chairman of the the arts council of England.

...

and i was from

...

I looked it up. It was from July twenty seventeen.

...

titled somewhat unfortunately,

...

the importance of international exchange

...

Now in between then, and now, of course, we've had the Sc

...

of Brexit.

...

which has which has deprived

...

the Of medical staff and and brought about shortages of

...

of food in supermarkets and fuel and

...

petrol stations. I actually can't believe I'm

...

I'm saying that, but

...

but I digress.

...

But, of course, it has also

...

caused huge difficulties

...

for most of the creative sector, the speech by

...

so Nicholas,

...

mentioned

...

and I quote

...

The Uk was

...

the third largest exporter of cultural goods and services

...

in in the world,

...

according to the last global comparisons just behind China,

...

and the Us and of quote,

...

artists and creative as it turns out,

...

are important building blocks of a country's economy and

...

foreign policy. What a concept I want a concept

...

maybe maybe other the politicians out there will one day,

...

learn the value of these people. What do you think?

...

think in this

...

conservative to party, you obviously the people and proponents and nearly black comics.

...

were never... They're never particularly big supporters of the arts.

...

So, you know, I think where we're at in

...

written is we have, you know, if you will cram ascension,

...

London, London is now a series that's been basically

...

to buy hedge fund managers

...

the taste aesthetics. You go around may fair.

...

see the art galleries there they reflect the place of people whose job is to extract

...

huge amounts of capital from wherever in the globe suits

...

So you can imagine the quality of the art

...

and these people have slowly

...

taken over the gamut of, like, you know, our culture, and, of course,

...

they're not really representative of the people, they're not representative of empathy

...

ideas imagination. So, you know, our only hope is that

...

they're gonna eat themselves and not destroy too much of us in the planet and the process and

...

like I said, you know, i hopefully you then we compute together something different.

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paul

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Yeah. Well,

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Poland Poland is is

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where do we whether do we value artists and creators and

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in our political lives.

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so

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I think artists

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artists are generally difficult people for

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Never try trust an artist that here where here he'll be mixing with with all sorts of people now

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that

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Yeah. There's a that's very famous

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propaganda poster, you know, be aware of artists.

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they mixed with people. And

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So

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book with Brexit and also what's happening in Poland. You you have this

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the set of

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backlash against global

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the global idea or of this... All that we've been discussing

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tonight.

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and artists or somehow these, you know,

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the evil ruthless cos apologies

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who are out there, you know,

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and and are interested in in others and in other ideas and

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there's

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in the reactionary society

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the artist is on the out.

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and

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And I also think it's as

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the

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artists are are not conform.

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generally speaking,

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I mean, I think I I can't imagine a conform artist. That doesn't

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I suppose maybe it's possible, but... But generally,

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we're non conform. And so

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that means you're against the power.

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and whatever the power may be,

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and, you know, the goal is

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one of the one of the the goals of artists is to speak truth to power.

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and

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a smart power will listen.

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But when you have a narrow minded one or

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shelving one, like so much of more living through right now

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well, They don't wanna hear it.

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And so you're you're in a confrontational

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situation all the time.

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And we keep searching, and we keep searching for

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for the global in the local and for

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ways to find and express empathy

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And and so we come to another

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conclusion of the creative farm for another week.

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and I am I've ever I turned grateful to my

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Hello, Farm. Erica Hard coming in from

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Richmond in B,

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and

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Canada,

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Adrian Ko,

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musician

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composer and the resident of shortage in east London.

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and the American refugee in Eastern Europe,

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Coming in

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from Warsaw, I thank you all and not that.

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will bump into each other.

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on the farm again this time.

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next week. Have a good night.

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Thank you, Ray, and thank you, everyone.

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Good night.

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Mhmm.

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